But cool, one small player gives a shit. That’s about as much as the libs do 🥲 I will be fair though of all the “AES”, Cuba is probably the only somewhat tolerable one.
It’s a bit weird to compare the USSR to the west at a time when the west literally imprisoned and/or sterilized gay people.
As far as the LGBT+ struggle in China goes, conditions simply aren’t the sort that create radicals; you don’t get stonewall and eventually LGBT+ protections if cops aren’t actively harassing LGBT+ people. Oppression takes different vectors and they have a different path forward.
Interesting take. In my mind, any project that has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and given them self-determination despite near-constant existential attacks from capitalists is laudable. Like, obviously no communist state was/is perfect, but almost all of them were/are better than the contemporary capitalist states.
And to me that’s dishonest, because you have to add the “attacks from capitalists” clause or else you would also have to laud mercantilism/capitalism as well for lifting the standard of living from straw huts under kings and feudalism.
What’s the laudable part, lifting standards of living or doing it while under attack. Because as far as I see it, the concern should be with the material conditions not the degree of difficulty.
What’s even more laudable to me, is doing so without an overbearing brutal state oppressing the people on top of that. We know it can work as we have seen how people flourish both materially and socially under direct community rule whenever it has been tried.
The USSR and China each brought hundreds of millions from barely subsisting to lifestyles comparable to the west within a single lifetime and made great progress on LGBT+ rights. Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the US despite the blockade and constant attempts at destabilization.
You shouldn’t compare the USSR to a fantasy utopia, you should compare it to the actual alternatives we’ve seen in reality, Tsarist and modern Russia.
Anarchist projects have yet to manage step 0: Resist capitalist encirclement for more than like 5 minutes so we don’t have any actually existing examples to study.
The Zapatistas themselves say they’re neither anarchism or communism, but their own thing.
Historically the biggest threat to anarchist revolution hasn’t been capitalism
Weird how you’ve been convinced the guys you literally need a revolution to displace is worth less of your energy than calling other people trying to do the same thing red fash.
P sure you mean unjust hierarchies, your mom telling you to go to bed and the anarchist copelected community representative or whatever telling you you’re not allowed to feed the bears in your backyard are examples of authority.
“Unjust Hierarchies” is Chomsky libshit take on anarchism.
We want horizontal organisation, not top-down authority. Don’t just tell me not to feed the bears, work with me, talk with me, educate me on why not to feed the bears.
Wow yeah moders Russia! So modern! Soon modern toilet, indoor!!
And being trans is considered a mental illness there, but you gotta simp for your fav dictator I guess.
The USSR was a horrible aithoritatian dictatorship murdering millions of people, every western country got a better life than that hell hole lol. They even teamed up with the Nazis and started WW2, can’t make that shit up lol. So progressive.
Wow yeah moders Russia! So modern! Soon modern toilet, indoor!! And being trans is considered a mental illness there
My point is that modern and tsarist Russia are worse than the USSR; opposing the USSR is supporting the alternatives which were far worse.
every western country got a better life than that hell hole lo
Before the USSR they were peasants enduring regular famine, by the 50s they put a man in space. The 90s saw the largest drop in human life expectency outside of war or famine in modern history.
They even teamed up with the Nazis and started WW2
The USSR spent the lead up trying to ally with every single western country against nazi germany. Instead they all signed non-aggression pacts with nazi germany, and gave Nazi Germany and Poland Czechoslovakia. They even offered to invade Germany with 2 million men if the UK and France would join. Meanwhile the UK literally tried to send troops to invade the USSR during the winter war.
The capitalist powers intended Nazi Germany and Poland to deal with the greater threat, communism. The USSR signing their own non-aggressing pact is the only way they were able to draw the capitalists powers in against Nazi Germany.
The west is full of nazis. after the USSR won WWII, the west welcomed the nazis in. The US and Canada gave a bunch of nazis a new home.
Had the USSR gone stateless, it would’ve fallen immediately. It was under attack from inception. I’m seeing a lot of uneducated nonsense here. Communists being attacked for reading theory. Very west-like.
I am saying capitalists feel fascism is a solution to communism, and their countries have always been happy to work with fascists to fight communists. Hence why fascist Portugal was a founding member of NATO, none of the capitalist countries dealt with Franco’s Spain, the dictatorships in South Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia, all of south America, etc.
Meanwhile, fascists know communists are their biggest enemy.
This rationale holds for many nations under capitalism over the same time period.
It in no way justifies the superiority of the model of transition from fuedalism to state-controlled centralized economies to state-controlled capitalism present in the USSR / China
It’s a bit weird to compare the USSR to the west at a time when the west literally imprisoned and/or sterilized gay people
You mean the whole fucking decade when it was not a crime? Between 1920 to 1930? Because after it was Article 121, straight to prison or asylum.
Because in the same decade gays could have sex without going to prison in France, Italy, Poland, Spain, Belgium (and provably more, but I’m too lazy to check).
And the Soviets sent us to the gulags.
China likewise treats us like shit.
But cool, one small player gives a shit. That’s about as much as the libs do 🥲 I will be fair though of all the “AES”, Cuba is probably the only somewhat tolerable one.
It’s a bit weird to compare the USSR to the west at a time when the west literally imprisoned and/or sterilized gay people.
As far as the LGBT+ struggle in China goes, conditions simply aren’t the sort that create radicals; you don’t get stonewall and eventually LGBT+ protections if cops aren’t actively harassing LGBT+ people. Oppression takes different vectors and they have a different path forward.
If the USSR was only as good as the West today, it’s not worth simping over.
If socialism takes redfash cops harassing LGBT+ people before they take revolutionary action against the state, it’s not worth simping over.
Abolish the state outright and embrace Anarchy.
Interesting take. In my mind, any project that has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and given them self-determination despite near-constant existential attacks from capitalists is laudable. Like, obviously no communist state was/is perfect, but almost all of them were/are better than the contemporary capitalist states.
And to me that’s dishonest, because you have to add the “attacks from capitalists” clause or else you would also have to laud mercantilism/capitalism as well for lifting the standard of living from straw huts under kings and feudalism.
What’s the laudable part, lifting standards of living or doing it while under attack. Because as far as I see it, the concern should be with the material conditions not the degree of difficulty.
What’s even more laudable to me, is doing so without an overbearing brutal state oppressing the people on top of that. We know it can work as we have seen how people flourish both materially and socially under direct community rule whenever it has been tried.
The USSR and China each brought hundreds of millions from barely subsisting to lifestyles comparable to the west within a single lifetime and made great progress on LGBT+ rights. Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the US despite the blockade and constant attempts at destabilization.
You shouldn’t compare the USSR to a fantasy utopia, you should compare it to the actual alternatives we’ve seen in reality, Tsarist and modern Russia.
Anarchist projects have yet to manage step 0: Resist capitalist encirclement for more than like 5 minutes so we don’t have any actually existing examples to study.
Let’s compare the USSR to itself, an authoritarian shithole that sent gay men to do hard labour.
The Zapatista have been going strong for 30 years.
Revolutionary Ukraine fell to Communist backstabbing.
Historically the biggest threat to anarchist revolution hasn’t been capitalism, it’s been red fash communists.
The Zapatistas themselves say they’re neither anarchism or communism, but their own thing.
Weird how you’ve been convinced the guys you literally need a revolution to displace is worth less of your energy than calling other people trying to do the same thing red fash.
Being your own thing and living by mutual consent is anarchist. Labels are ultimately irrelevant, actions matter.
We need a revolution to displace any authority. Authority will never wither away on its own.
P sure you mean unjust hierarchies, your mom telling you to go to bed and the
anarchist copelected community representative or whatever telling you you’re not allowed to feed the bears in your backyard are examples of authority.No, I mean any authority.
“Unjust Hierarchies” is Chomsky libshit take on anarchism.
We want horizontal organisation, not top-down authority. Don’t just tell me not to feed the bears, work with me, talk with me, educate me on why not to feed the bears.
Wow yeah moders Russia! So modern! Soon modern toilet, indoor!!
And being trans is considered a mental illness there, but you gotta simp for your fav dictator I guess.
The USSR was a horrible aithoritatian dictatorship murdering millions of people, every western country got a better life than that hell hole lol. They even teamed up with the Nazis and started WW2, can’t make that shit up lol. So progressive.
My point is that modern and tsarist Russia are worse than the USSR; opposing the USSR is supporting the alternatives which were far worse.
Before the USSR they were peasants enduring regular famine, by the 50s they put a man in space. The 90s saw the largest drop in human life expectency outside of war or famine in modern history.
The USSR spent the lead up trying to ally with every single western country against nazi germany. Instead they all signed non-aggression pacts with nazi germany, and gave Nazi Germany and Poland Czechoslovakia. They even offered to invade Germany with 2 million men if the UK and France would join. Meanwhile the UK literally tried to send troops to invade the USSR during the winter war.
The capitalist powers intended Nazi Germany and Poland to deal with the greater threat, communism. The USSR signing their own non-aggressing pact is the only way they were able to draw the capitalists powers in against Nazi Germany.
Oh yeah, the west is worse than nazis, gotcha. Lol.
The west is full of nazis. after the USSR won WWII, the west welcomed the nazis in. The US and Canada gave a bunch of nazis a new home.
Had the USSR gone stateless, it would’ve fallen immediately. It was under attack from inception. I’m seeing a lot of uneducated nonsense here. Communists being attacked for reading theory. Very west-like.
I am saying capitalists feel fascism is a solution to communism, and their countries have always been happy to work with fascists to fight communists. Hence why fascist Portugal was a founding member of NATO, none of the capitalist countries dealt with Franco’s Spain, the dictatorships in South Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia, all of south America, etc.
Meanwhile, fascists know communists are their biggest enemy.
This rationale holds for many nations under capitalism over the same time period.
It in no way justifies the superiority of the model of transition from fuedalism to state-controlled centralized economies to state-controlled capitalism present in the USSR / China
You mean the whole fucking decade when it was not a crime? Between 1920 to 1930? Because after it was Article 121, straight to prison or asylum.
Because in the same decade gays could have sex without going to prison in France, Italy, Poland, Spain, Belgium (and provably more, but I’m too lazy to check).