cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1271267
What do you guys think about this? (Wasn’t sure which community to post this in)
One long-term solution would be to ask the relevant question in a relevant community on lemmy every time this happens to you. Then answer it yourself (or wait for other to), perhaps using the other site (via archive.org) as a reference when writing it up.
The important bit is to make sure the answer here is complete and not just a link to outside sources. That way it won’t disappear if those other sites go offline.
With enough people doing this we can push lemmy into those search results and build a useful & independent repository of knowledge.
Great, now Google gets fucked as well! Another win.
I don’t think you understand, we are the ones who are getting fucked. Search results are getting worse and harder for you to find what you need with all the ads, fake news, sponsored sites, ai generated articles, etc… Google doesn’t care if you find high quality results, they will still gett traffic and their money because people won’t just stop using it.
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Don’t use Google.
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Learn how to search the internet, its not hard.
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Adblock is your friend.
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People will stop using it only when it becomes unbearable. Their own business tbh.
I’ve replaced probably 70% of my searching with ChatGPT.
Thats one hell of a bad idea.
Reddit is still one of the best place to find answers by real people because of the disappearance of traditional forums.
Nah, it was.
What search engines you suggest? Duckduckgo is useless for me, but so is google nowadays tbh.
I’ve been trying: https://metager.org/ and https://www.ecosia.org/
Try Searx. It is a free, open source metasearch engine so it gets results from other engines. Albeit much more privately than accessing those services directly.
I like startpage. It’s not perfect but works. If I still cant find anything I search google. 95% of the time it just works.
@Stijn @krevassi, Startpage is probably one of the best search engines, I used it among others as second of my list, but for first searches I use 2 AI search engines which show me direct answers to complex questions.
https://andisearch.com
https://www.perplexity.ai
and sometimes also
https://you.comAll of these protect privacy and made by small independent startups
Thanks! That looks interesting!
AI search seems like something to dip my toes into. Thanks for the tips.
@krevassi @IcyPractice @CookieJarObserver @DeriHunter @Stijn, anyway, don’t confuse AI search with AI chats, like ChatGPT, because these have a maybe better Language model, but it’s knowledge base is limited (the one of ChatGPT is from 2021), they don’t search in the web. Because of this the answers are not reliable or at least outdated.
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Google is already an awful search engine and was most useful only for reddit. Search Engine Optimization killed it.
For example, do you know why every recipe Google shows has a 35 page life story article before the recipe? Because it takes you longer to scroll through the page and find the recipe and see if that’s what you want. So Google says oh, this website is good and entertaining and full of so many words! This goes higher up! They don’t write the stories because the bloggers care. They write stories because it’s the only way to get their website seen on Google.
Meanwhile the website you actually want… The one with a simple recipe and no fluff? Well that’s not going to sell itself to the Search Engine Optimization. So it’s much further down on the list, several pages down.
The same shitification is happening with every website. Every website is a little bit worse than it has to be simply to optimize it’s position on the almighty Google.
When you look for the “top shoes for running” or “best phone of 2023”, those are just rushed articles with no research done by people with the sole purpose of pumping out millions of articles just to get some spots on Google.
Google was only good for linking to reddit because reddit could never get their search engine working no matter how many times they tried it.
I’ve been hearing some good things about Kagi so i have been contemplating to try it.
It is subscription based but still;
If there is a service that serves me as a customer to better my experience using a search engine than I’ll gladly pay for it.There good and sometimes better alternatives to Google, you can easily leave without it or use it only when necessary
It doesn’t solve the issue that the answer you’re looking for is on Reddit and isn’t accessible anymore…
I mean, good for us for screwing up Reddit, but the transition impacts more than just Reddit itself because subreddits are going private and people are deleting their posts, that’s a whole lot of knowledge just disappearing from the internet overnight and that’s never a good thing! I don’t know how many times I tried to find solutions or answers to tech related questions and the only place I could find an actual answer was on Reddit because it was actual people speaking to each other!
Yeah, for the short term. But the long term if lemmy can become the successor. It won’t be long until it get will get back to normal
all attention to this mess is good imho. also remember chat gpt was trained on reddit data i until fall 2021 so should be able to pull on archived zeitgeist for a quick and dirty answer
Reddit was one of the last places on the internet where you could read content without logging in. Almost all of the internet is Dark Web now, inaccessible unless you log in.
Not just with subs going private, but with users purging their comments and posts along with their accounts. Just last night I was talking to a friend about something and wanted to pull up a post from a while back. Lo and behold, deleted and gone.
It’s temporary until useful info gets posted elsewhere. Besides, Reddit wasn’t the only place for good info.
Please post LINKS to Lemmy, not screenshots of headlines. Ffs, even your “source” link goes to an image, not the article
Mods, can we please crack down on this dumb-ification of Lemmy? We’re better than tiktok.
I wonder if they could shift to showing cached versions of pages, so that data is still accessible externally, but you can’t interact or get to it from reddit.
