Windows 11 keeps trying to install different stuff, notifying you about how great edge is, requires new hardware, and more. Windows 12 is rumored to be cloud only with a subscription?

What will do you?

  • my_hat_stinks
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    1 year ago

    Are you really trying to dismiss criticism that the taskbar’s Grouped Window List doesn’t always display windows visible on that screen is just an issue of the user expecting Windows? Dismissing every user issue as “just stop expecting Windows” is exactly toxic fanboy the attitude that drives people away from Linux. You might notice that I didn’t even mention Windows once, I was talking exclusively about taskbar issues affecting my workflow in Mint.

    I’m still using Mint+Cinnamon but I’m not going to pretend it’s perfect.

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      1 year ago

      Oh, there are indeed issues and bugs. For what it’s worth, I get a similar bug on Windows where sometimes a window doesn’t change taskbars when I drag it to the next monitor, and my app windows get all moved around after waking from sleep ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      Again, my point was your arguments are illustrating my initial take really well. You’re - rightfully so - criticizing Cinnamon, but describing it as a “Linux” thing. You didn’t mention Windows once, but you also did describe Windows’ multiple taskbar’s behavior as the thing you need. Can we not dismiss everything I say like I’m being a fanboy just for telling you software issues and bugs on one desktop environment are not a “Linux” thing, but a "software on top of Linux " thing? Yes, on Windows, your window manager is part of Windows. On Linux, it isn’t. Hell, some don’t even have panels by default.

      FWIW, I’m far from a fanboy. I love macOS, still use and like Windows for other reasons, and am also extremely critical of Linux where it fails to perform. OSes are just tools, means to an end, IMHO. Please, let’s not devolve the conversation to this kind of tribalism. The Linux world can be confusing enough as it is, coming back to my first comment again… Sometimes the “fanboys” are just people who have been bitten by these things for longer than you (I’ve been using some form of Linux for ~16+ years) and wanted to help or explain some common misconception.

      If this can help, I think all of KDE Plasma (both the default ones, and Latte), MATE and XFCE lets you duplicate panels.

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        1 year ago

        but describing it as a “Linux” thing.

        Where? Please point to the part where me responding to you commenting on Mint+Cinnamon’s taskbar is criticising all of Linux.

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          1 year ago

          You said “not a Linux fan […] needs to be more user friendly”, I straight up asked you what was more user friendly about Windows, and this was your answer, which sparked this very exchange.

          Edit: OK, I see where my confusion came from. I thought you were the person I was answering to initially, and you are not. My bad, you indeed didn’t say that.