I recently came across a theory from Japan that tries to rethink physics from the standpoint of the observer.

Instead of treating reality as something fully given “out there,” it suggests that reality may emerge when certain structural conditions of the observer are satisfied.

What I found interesting is that it reframes the gap between relativity and quantum mechanics as a problem about how the observer is defined.

Philosophically, it feels closely related to the question of whether observation is passive or constitutive of reality.

It’s summarized in a short video, so if you’re interested, I’d really appreciate your thoughts: https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/c714dc8c-eb93-4317-b369-8e57fac880fc?artifac

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    10 days ago

    I don’t really buy any of these exotic approaches to QM because no one has ruled out the non-extraordinary explanation that it is just a statistical theory. People all pretend it was ruled out by Bell’s theorem, but all Bell’s theorem shows is that it cannot be a local statistical theory. Okay, then it is non-local. Nothing more needs to be said. All the “paradoxes” that these exotic interpretations try to “solve” arise from starting with the position that it is not just a statistical theory. I really have trouble entertaining exotic extraordinary viewpoints if we have a trivially simple, intuitive, and consistent viewpoint right on the table which has not been ruled out.

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      @[email protected]

      Even if a nonlocal statistical theory can reproduce the predictions of quantum mechanics, that would still remain at the level of describing outcomes, wouldn’t it?

      In reality, the unification of quantum mechanics and relativity has remained unresolved for over 150 years, and the deeper issue is that the framework itself does not define the structure of observation.

      This theory, on the other hand, addresses that very point by defining the conditions under which outcomes are realized— that is, the structure of observation itself— and treats quantum mechanics and relativity as aspects of a single generative process.

      In that sense, the question is not whether it can be described statistically, but whether the theory is structurally complete.

      From that perspective, this framework provides a more consistent explanation.

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        8 days ago

        Even if a nonlocal statistical theory

        You are already misinterpreting what I am saying. I am saying quantum mechanics is a non-local statistical theory. I am not advocating some alternative theory to replace quantum mechanics. To my knowledge, this viewpoint was first put forward by Dmitry Blokhintsev in the early 1950s. Einstein defended both locality and the idea that quantum mechanics should be interpreted as a statistical theory. Blokhintsev strongly agreed that it should be interpreted as a statistical theory, but disagreed that it should be taken to be a local theory. This was long before Bell’s theorem was ever published, which people treat as proof Einstein was wrong and therefore quantum mechanics cannot be interpreted as a statistical theory. But Bell’s theorem is not in conflict with Blokhintsev’s views. Blokhintsev was also critical of Einstein’s commitment to determinism, advocating that nature should be understood to be fundamentally unpredictable.

        that would still remain at the level of describing outcomes, wouldn’t it?

        No, because a statistical theory admits that the system has a definite configuration at all times, it just evolves randomly so that you cannot track its definite values. We can imagine a perfectly classical universe where the laws of physics are still fundamentally random, but in a classical sense that cannot violate Bell inequalities, and this would prevent you from being able to track the definite states of particles at all times. But it does not then logically follow that the particles do not possess definite states at all times. The denial of this fact is where all the exotic views of quantum mechanics stem from, all the “quantum weirdness” and claims it is somehow in conflict with realism or requires a multiverse, or something absurd like that.

        “The attempt to conceive the quantum-theoretical description as the complete description of the individual systems leads to unnatural theoretical interpretations, which become immediately unnecessary if one accepts the interpretation that the description refers to ensembles of systems and not to individual systems. In that case the whole “egg-walking” performed in order to avoid the ‘physically real’ becomes superfluous.” — Albert Einstein, “Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist”

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        In reality, the unification of quantum mechanics and relativity has remained unresolved for over 150 years, and the deeper issue is that the framework itself does not define the structure of observation.

        No, the issue between unifying GR and QM comes from renormalizability, although it is really only an “issue” at high energies. The reality is not that GR and QM are incompatible, but that we just don’t know what happens at high energies because we’ve never built anything that can probe there. I’d recommend you look up John Donoghue’s discussion on this topic; you can combine GR and QM just fine if you stick to the energy regimes we can actually probe. You can also combine GR and QFT just fine under an semi-classical gravity, which is correct for all fields we can meaningfully probe.

        The issue is less that we cannot unify the two theories, but we cannot unify them under regimes we have not even probed yet, and any attempt to unify them will be speculative anyways since they would only have implications for things we cannot currently measure. The dire need to build a “theory of everything” at the moment is just overblown. It makes no sense to build a “theory of everything” unless you can probe everything, otherwise it will inherently be overly speculative.

        If you think this speculation somehow solves the problem at high energies, then take it further and actually build a model of GR and QM that does not break down at high energies. Otherwise, I don’t see this as particularly relevant, but it is trying to resolve pseudoproblems, like the measurement problem, which are self-imposed problems.

        This theory, on the other hand, addresses that very point by defining the conditions under which outcomes are realized— that is, the structure of observation itself— and treats quantum mechanics and relativity as aspects of a single generative process.

        If supposedly this fixes the renormallization issue then actually fix it. Construct a theory of quantum gravity. You won’t be able to because this isn’t going to help you out. It’s “solving” a different “problem,” and that is a pseudoproblem.

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          @[email protected]

          I think we may be talking slightly past each other.

          What I mean is that interpretations of quantum mechanics remain at the level of describing the distribution of outcomes, but do not explain why a single outcome is actually realized.

          In other words, a statistical theory can tell us what distribution appears, but not why a specific result becomes fixed in a given event.

          This research addresses precisely that point.

          Rather than reinterpreting the same statistical structure, it defines the structural conditions under which outcomes become determined — that is, the structure of observation itself.

          I’ll share a more detailed and up-to-date paper beyond the video. I would really appreciate your thoughts on it.

          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/403024962

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            24 hours ago

            Weren’t you banned, Satoru Watanabe? You made another account to promote your crackpot papers?

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              @[email protected]

              I’m not Satoru Watanabe.

              It’s true that my account was suddenly banned, though. I honestly have no idea what part of it was supposed to be ban-worthy.

              I mean, sure—if someone is claiming some unverified cure for diseases, that could be dangerous. But this is just presenting a theoretical idea.

              Don’t you think it’s kind of absurd to just ban something like that without any notice?

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                2 hours ago

                Maybe not ban worthy but you are obviously “Satoru Watanabe” (assuming that is even a real person to begin with). All you do is make accounts to promote “his” papers.

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                  @[email protected]

                  I’m really not Satoru Watanabe.

                  I just find the ideas interesting and want to share them more widely to hear what different people think.

                  I’m not an expert, so I might not fully understand the paper myself, but places like here and Lemmy have a lot of people who are knowledgeable about quantum physics and philosophy.

                  Discussing it helps me deepen my own understanding.

                  You too, actually.

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                    I don’t have anything to learn from crackpot woo. My interest in this subject is precisely to dispel the woo, because it is not only popular among Laymen like yourself, but also among academics.