My only point has been that many people believed that the Democratic candidate for president would have been less likely - not even unlikely, just less - to be involved in the kinds of war crimes Trump has been.

That’s not your only point. But regardless, that’s nothing more than conjecture. I don’t think they’d have stopped providing cash or weapons to Israel. Germany hasn’t either. Would Harris have abducted Maduro or bombed Iran? I have no idea, but probably not. Wouldn’t surprise me if she bombed some other country though, and we might be at war with Russia by now instead of Iran. So it’s pretty hard to form an opinion either way on which foreign policy would have been worse.

And vilifying those people for choosing to vote and continuing to believe in the righteousness of that vote is a position of shameless moral superiority that is antithetical to socialist goals, as it places the onus on the rest of your class bretheren who tried their best in a shitty situation, instead of on the actual electoralists.

I really feel like every accusation is a confession with you. Leftists are constantly being excoriated by Dems for not cheerleading for law-and-order-corporate-stooge Harris, though I’d be astounded if leftists didn’t vote for her in significant numbers, despite the fact they had to hold their noses while doing so. The fact is the Dems have slowly destroyed their mainstream base by putting profits before people far too many times.

And to be clear, I don’t, as a rule, vilify people who vote. I see no harm in it. Go for it. Whatever. I vote too.

And to compare Obama’s administration to Trump’s is a joke, honestly disgusting. You cannot honestly be trying to say that what we’re seeing with ICE is not 1000x worse. You’re also falling for a well understood trap in this dataset: Bush put in place the systems that ran wild without oversight during Obama’s first term, which were then addressed (and why it went down in his second term), and the Obama administration changed how deportations were defined so as not to hide the actual numbers - they increased transparency and stopped using bullshit terms like voluntary returns to the hide the numbers. So yeah, the numbers went up when he literally exposed the problem of misreporting and then went on to make it better in his second term.

Your argument doesn’t hold any water. Obama’s numbers kept going up every single year under his first term. He had 4 years to turn that situation around. It’s simply too convenient to suggest that it took 4 years before he could make any changes, and then it was thanks to Obama that deportations under Trump actually went down? What is this, topsy turvy land?

Perhaps Obama was too busy making sure he authorized more bombings and targeted assassinations than any other president in history? Or was that Bush’s fault too?

26,171 bombs were dropped in 2016 alone across Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

Edit: No, he didn’t even have that excuse, because he ramped up the bombing in his second term.