This year we made good progress. You know, Linux gaming becoming better, Reddit fucking up, Metaverse failing etc. But on the other hand Big Tech has or are planning to make some moves. Such as, Google’s Web Enviroment Integrity API (EDIT: they backed off), UK’s encryption bill, etc.
So what do you think of the future? I’m currently optimistic. I think the best recent event was Reddit fucking up. Obviously one of the biggest information sources going down that path isn’t something to celebrate. But it was bound to happen. I believe decentralized social networks becoming more popular is what Aaron Swartz would have wanted if he saw how Reddit was being managed.
Yes that’s all great, but really you’re just proving my point here. How do you get a non-techie past this whole obstacle? Tell them to ask instructions on an obscure forum, whereupon they’ll get a wall of text like this, full of obscure geeky jargon? (That is roughly how Debian does it, by the way.) Obviously you know exactly what you’re talking about but I’m a bit concerned that you - and most other Linux users - are slightly out of touch about just how obscure and forbidding all this is to a non-technical person. The problem is that we need at least some of those people to succeed if Linux is to thrive.
I don’t disagree that it would be great if it were easier for non-techy people to try Linux. But we’re speaking in the context of an OP who said that they’re not afraid of using the console, which indicates a certain level of technical skill to start from. They’ve asked for directions and I’m trying to provide them.
Beside that, I think there’s a limit to how simple I - or anyone - can make the process of installing a new OS. That isn’t a “Linux” thing - there isn’t any simpler option if you want to install Windows from scratch either.
If you want to get Linux in the layman’s hands as easily as most people get Windows, buy them machines from System76. Sorted.
In the meantime, what would you suggest, vs my “wall of text […] of geeky jargon”?
Agreed that the best one-stop answer is to tell people to buy their next computer from a Linux specialist (and be able to name 3 of them).
And yes, there’s a limit to how easy the DIY solution is going to be. But I think that the bar is now pretty low if we make it as easy as possible. As you suggest, installer software is now pretty much “just hit Enter” until it works. The weak link is now the boot medium. I’m pretty experienced and yet whenever I have installed Ubuntu from Windows I’ve had to struggle with Powershell (or whatever it’s called) and go googling for
ddcommand parameters. The alternative is third-party software, as you say, which has its own security risks and learning curve.This s a crazy situation. The OS should bundle all software you need to get it running and it should hand-hold the user every step of the way. Big button “Get started”, step 1, step 2, step 3, done. It doesn’t have to be walls of text full of jargon and useless technical asides (as Debian does it, and even Ubuntu to some extent). And the user doesn’t need to understand what exactly is happening, they just need to get up and running. When I was beginning with Linux I had no idea what I was doing but I persisted. So many others are not going to persist in the face of this unnecessary complexity. It really irritates me that FOSS shoots itself in the foot like this.
Rant over. Last time I checked, the specific answer to your question was: Fedora. Big buttons, 1, 2, 3, and the boot-creation binary is right there as part of the process. Probably some further refinements are possible, but Fedora seems not bad.
I’ve been in IT since before Linux exited, and installed my first Linux box the other day.
You’re spot on. It’s a frustrating nuisance to me (especially as writing tech docs has been part of my job), but for a non-technical person it’s a no-go.
I don’t know what the answer is. CDs like AOL used to do?
It’s a better walk-thru USB-stick-creation process. See my response to sibling comment. I really think this is a solvable problem but a lot of Linux users are in denial about just how geeky and perseverant ordinary people can be expected to be.
Yes, even that USB creation walk through has been too much, for me, let alone a non-technical person (or even less motivated, which I have been for 20 years now) .