Cameras made by Hikvision, which is blacklisted in US, blanket the occupied West Bank, according to Amnesty International
      • Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.worldEnglish
        151·
        1 year ago

        So, let’s look at the definition of genocide and see where Israel lands here.

        Definition

        Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

        Article II

        In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

        Killing members of the group;

        • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
        • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
        • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
        • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

        Source: the UN

        So; let’s have a quick look at these points:

        (1) Over 11,000 deaths, majority of civilians. And I’m just talking about deaths since Oct 7, I did not include any numbers from before that. Check.

        (2) Illegal occupation and cutting off food, water, electricity and free movement. Check.

        (3) Unknown to me.

        (4) Unknown to me.

        The head of the UN, Craig Mokhiber, just retired and called it unequivocally a genocide, here’s a source for that, but if you don’t like this source, you can just Google this and find plenty of other sources.

        So, please tell me. How does Israel not fit as a genocidal regime?

      • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
        101·
        1 year ago

        You mean aside from those times they said specifically they were attacking civilians to “get to” Hamas access that the civilians are “human shields”.

        Just an fyi I think in a few years your georing to feel really fuckin bad about your rhetoric.

          • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            1 year ago

            No one is saying not to blame Hamas, they have responsibilities too, that doesn’t however give Israel an ok to bomb civilian targets and starve out a civilian population, it’s been a literal war crime since at least the 1400s.

            Sure, they can defend themselves. Striking civilian targets, in civilian, areas with civilian populations is still a goddamn war crime. You didn’t see England intentionally bombing civilian targets even when v2s were hitting every single goddamn day. The international community is literally telling them to stop striking civilian targets because they are in fact admitting to doing just that!

              • GeneralVincent@lemmy.worldEnglish
                6·
                1 year ago

                So you’re saying the extreme loss of civilian life is “not excessive”? Over 10,000 dead??

                Also, what are “military targets” to you? Hospitals, churches, refugee camps, and homes are all fair game? Using white phosphorus bombs and hellfire missiles?

                “AGM-114R9X is a non-explosive yet lethal missile due to its rotating blades that decapitate anyone within 3ft. The Minimum/Maximum fire distance is 1.5 km/8km.” That was launched at a hospital. This is despite Israeli insisting that Hamas is hiding in tunnels underneath densely populated areas and using civilians as “human shields” How is that going to kill members of Hamas?

                No one except people trying to commit genocide go to these lengths to ensure civilian casualties. There are so many other options if they just wanted to kill Hamas fighters. But this is excessive, indefensible, and vile.

                https://www.npr.org/2023/10/31/1209763194/the-latest-on-israels-bombing-of-the-largest-gazan-refugee-camp

                https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5908/Israel-hits-Gaza-Strip-with-the-equivalent-of-two-nuclear-bombs

              • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
                31·
                1 year ago

                It’s 100% forbidden, there are proportionality clauses. If I slap you you can’t shoot me in the face, it’s a pretty simple concept. Your excuse doesn’t make sense either, dead isrealis less than 2000, dead Palestinians 14000, you don’t think that excessive?

                Blanket bombing of military targets correct, both of your examples contained military targets and military industries both valid targets at the time. Hamburg, oil yard, ship yards, sub pens, oil refineries. Bochum oil refineries, Krupp and a airfield.

                Notably you could take the civilian casualties from both of those bombings and I’ll venture a guess they still won’t top the current civilian death count in Palestine.

          • Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7·
            1 year ago

            You mean right to defend itself under Article 51 of the UN charter, right?

            That doesn’t apply if you’re an occupying force. And for anyone saying “Israel doesn’t occupy Gaza, there are no Israeli officials there” if you control movement, water, gas, power, food supplies, where civilians can and can’t travel to, and the territory is not allowed to exist independently, all of that “right to defend yourself” is null and void.

              • Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.worldEnglish
                6·
                1 year ago

                So because Egypt isn’t doing enough, Israel isn’t to blame? Right. Solid argument.

                What Egypt does or doesn’t do does not in any way negate the fact that Israel is completely out of line.

                What an argument “but look at them, they are also bad, which means the even badder guys must not be as bad”.

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
            8·
            1 year ago

            It is well established that Hamas is using civilian areas and infrastructure

            Established by whom?

            Can you tell me why Hamas gets carte blanche but others such as Ukraine are criticized in similar circumstances?

            On what planet has Hamas received carte blanche? Gaza is currently being carpet bombed. This is exactly what Russia did to Kyiv in the opening days of the war, and it seems clear that Israel and Russia are running identical playbooks. Mass murder of the population as a form of ethnic cleansing is now the standard military doctrine of encroaching powers.

          • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
            83·
            1 year ago

            Ukraine isn’t an open air concentration camp governed in large part by Israeli blockade and airstrike and has been for thirty fuckin years dudes. Not quite the same situation is it?

              • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                1 year ago

                I’m saying a population that cannot escape and cannot leave for fear of not being able to return to their homes are in fact human shields. Hamas is certainly taking advantage like any other country would and in fact have done. What you’re ignoring is that Israel is the one creating the perverse incentive to use civilians to hide.

                Yes, the Egyptian border Israel bombed.

                200k have to work for Israel because there aren’t enough jobs in Palestine because Israel bombs businesses claiming they’re Hamas.

                It’s an open air prison bud. Fun question, can a Palestinian exit gaza without an id.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Surveillance cameras now cover the Damascus Gate, the main entrance into the old city of Jerusalem and one of the only public areas for Palestinians to gather socially and hold demonstrations.

    The Guardian first reported that Hikvision enabled police clients to set up alarms for when cameras detect any type of protest activity such as “gathering crowds to disrupt order in public places”, “unlawful assembly, procession, demonstration” and threats to “petition”.

    Amnesty investigators said the cameras are at high risk of being connected to Mabat 2000, an Israeli police-run facial-recognition surveillance network that spans the entire city of East Jerusalem.

    Ultimately, Palestinians “don’t need to see” that the cameras are employing facial recognition to “know that they are being watched at every turn”, said Matthew Mahmoudi, an Amnesty International researcher on AI and human rights.

    “Even their family life and the sort of very mundane everyday actions suddenly become acts of resistance in the face of this ubiquitous surveillance apparatus that underpins much of how apartheid is exacted on Palestinians,” Mahmoudi added.

    According to the report, Amnesty International’s Digital Verification Corps analyzed and verified the authenticity of 15 videos that showed Palestinians being detained “where surveillance technologies appeared to have been used for registration, identification or recording”.

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  • cyd@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1130·
    1 year ago

    I was wondering how long it would take the media to frame the Israel-Palestine crisis as another “China bad” story.