From this thread over on /r/leftypiece where I’ve been arguing with vaushites who are currently trying to push people against this.
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luffy goes to an island and immediately finds whatever revanchist parties exist, regardless of their political beliefs. he is the most pro-monarchy anarchist on the planet, ascribing a coherent political philosophy to him is a fools errand
but yeah he’d be pro-hamas and pro-houthi
The actual problem is that Oda is using monarch’s as an allegorical stand-ins for politicians, so Luffy overthrowing Walpole’s regime but saving Vivi’s seems hypocritical from a Leftist perspective unless you sorta glaze your eye’s over and replace “King” with “Person who’s Ruling the country”, cos then Luffy only beats up those who are self-serving and leaves the one’s who (largely) represent the wills of their peoples alone.
Except King Triton, yeah the right-wing coup was worse but he deserved it for letting things get that bad in the first place, fuck Fishman Island really is the worst arc
fishman island is about what if malcolm x assassinated mlk and falsely blamed white people for it to get more people to become reverse racist (which is a real thing in this scenario i guess)
Like, I really really like that the moral of the story is that “racism can arise just from the ambient culture, if inherent biases are left unchecked and unchallenged” but man was this the clumsiest metaphor to do that with, Oda really bit off more than he could chew here
yeah oda was absolutely not qualified to tell a story about race and so he defaults to using standard shonen manga style “ahh, the cycle of violence must be stopped,” which is basically what he does in skypeia as well
in general, while oda is way ahead of most of his peers in most areas (trans rights included these days, but also he was so far below the curve there for a long while so i’m not going to give him any credit there) he’s still a kinda lib guy making an incredibly mainstream piece of serialized art on strict deadlines and i think the number of people acting like it’s the most radical piece of art in anime spaces only hurts it
i’m not opposed to allegory (i fucking love revolutionary girl utena, a show that has an insert song that ends with a choir singing “ALLEGORY! ALLEGORIER! ALLEGORIEST!”) but when your allegory for political change ends with the rightful king restored almost every single time (including the rightful king of a settler colonial state, the indigenous people of which are leading guerilla warfare against!) i think that the allegory is broken
Yeah, that’s a fair criticism of One Piece.
like it’s the most radical piece of art in anime spaces only hurts it
I think it’s less that it’s the most radical as much as it’s the most accessible- enough people are familiar with shonen as a genre that they’ll immediately “get” what One Piece is about, and having one of the Big Three Shonen Jump titles have even the slightest whiff of left-leaning politics in there gets it inordinately recommended as the “Baby Leftists First Anime” over, (sad to say) shows like Kaiji or Utena. Which is fine, I guess, if it’s a pipeline to somewhere, but maybe the problem is 1) people aren’t aware of other shows with more radical politics (and to be fair there’s got to be only a handful, I’m struggling to name radical leftists movies off the top of my head, never mind cartoons) and 2) people aren’t well-read enough on theory so they can’t see One Piece’s flaws in that regard
yeah i get why it happens, but it makes me like it a lot less than i otherwise would (though i still like it a lot!)
also if you want an openly leftist anime that has zero allegory, watch dallos. it was the first ova, it’s directed by mamoru oshii (of ghost in the shell and patlabor fame) and it’s just straight up doing the battle of algiers but in space. it rules, the ending is incredible
watch dallos
Cool, will give it a look. I need to go rewatch Patlabor 2 sometime soon anyway haha
Terry Pratchett did “the rightful king” trope the best. The rightful king is such a good and decent and wonderful person that he rejects kingship, hides all proof of there being a rightful heir and fights against people trying to make him a king, because kings are inherently bad
I read fisher tiger as the Malcolm X stand-in. the dude raising an army in fishman island is a rando warlord (in our sense of the term, not diagetic).
I haven’t finished Fisher-man island yet, I’m still on the middle of the big fight just after the Kraken joined, but I don’t think Hodi Jones is supposed to be a representation of Malcolm X, I think Fisher Tiger was. Tiger and the queen both wanted and fought against the racism and prejudice their people faced, one with violence and the other pacifically through the system. Tiger even died young, before being able to fully develop his ideology and his fight like Malcolm.
The two big criticism I have is that the sole existence of the royal family is never questioned, not even by the queen, even tho Oda clearly understands systemic oppression hinting towards it constantly, and having Hodi kill the queen is just lazy writing that undermines the true weight this arc would have had in my opinion. She should have been killed by a human contracted by either the world government or the celestial dragon they saved to show that true change won’t come from the system, despite your best efforts and intentions.
I think Luffy’s personal attitude is that the countries and their leaders aren’t the problem, the celestial dragons are. His only real priority if he even has one other than being king of the pirates is fucking them. Country leaders can be good or bad to him, and he’s quite happy to swap a bad one for a good one if he can. If anything this is slowly building him a base of revolutionary support that will eventually all be turned on the real oppressors - the nobles. The “countries” are more like small towns/villages that the anarchists visit, do mutual aid with, help, and then move on to somewhere else leaving behind the seeds of revolution. It’s a very anarchist-ey story of building his allies up over time through going to places and doing good deeds.
But yeah he would 100% support anything that seems like it would be better than what currently exists. Also he wouldn’t give a shit whether people dislike him for doing it too. He’s a pirate, not a hero, as he says in his own words.
Also people keep forgetting the fact that the World Govt. would never allow islands like Arabasta to be ruled by a leftist leadership. Much of the post arc of arabasta was showcasing how Luffy’s success in liberating the country is limited by the hegemony imposed by the world govt.
Tldr: it would be even more irresponsible of luffy to get rid of the monarchy since it would put those islands on the hit list of the marines and cipher pol. More of this can be ascribed to the revolutionary army rather than luffy and co.
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The latest chapters demonstrate that the world govt. is willing to nuke entire islands just to show off their power.
Also all the people luffy defeats are people who choose to preserve the current system to their own benefit. Doflamingo (and Kaido) funded wars, crocodile attempted to create a military dictatorship, Enel represents the WG’s view of the world (much of skypia is just a pictaresque view of the entire story).
From this thread over on /r/leftypiece where I’ve been arguing with vaushites who are currently trying to push people against this.
o7 you’re my hero
that these vaushites will see the light of nika (they will not)Since this is a meme I’ll give the meme answer: Luffys personal politics extents as far as the hand that hands him a burger. Dude shows up on islands, gets fed and then fucks up whoever tries to hurt the people that fed him.
It just so happens that haughty nobles are dickheads that won’t share their meals, while the downtrodden masses share what little they have.
Now tell me: who do you think is more likely to give Luffy a piece of bread? The Israeli settlers or the Palestinians? The houthi freedom fighters or lance -corporal McMormon?I don’t think that’s entirely true. Luffy was pretty adamant that the people of Wano should be able to eat until their stomachs are full every day. I can’t find the citation and if someone could help me I’d appreciate it. There’s also the evergreen moment where he punches Charlos because he was being an oppressive asshole.
Which is to say that even if Israel gave him hummus, he has a habit of going to go see what’s going on in Gaza and it doesn’t leave him feeling conflicted when he fights for Palestine.
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I agree completely, it’s just that the meme is “lol luffy fights for wendys”
unable to participate because I’m only 200 chapters in
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