They do this all the time. Maybe Biden should call their bluff, execute his powers as Commander in Chief, and order the National Guard in Texas to turn on State Police.

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    There’s a proper way to claim asylum, and it’s not swimming across the Rio Grande at midnight.

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      Yeah it just requires money, time and connections. People fleeing countries have all of those things right?

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        “If I’m poor the rules shouldn’t apply.”

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            If you think the rules are unfair, work to change them. Every person walking across the border is giving a middle finger to the qualified LEGAL immigrants waiting YEARS to be naturalized, many of them with financial challenges of their own.

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              Right, better that they die in their own country rather than seek asylum elsewhere and “give the middle finger” to those with more money, connections and time than they have.

              Dying is bad but being disrespectful of unfair rules? Well nothing is worse than that.

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                Maybe it’s unfair their own country isn’t helping them. Again, if you feel our rules are unfair there are mechanisms to change them. Ignoring them is not the proper approach.

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                  I know, I already agreed with you. Being proper is much more important than people’s lives. Much smarter to work on changing the laws of a country you don’t reside in, or you not dying might have the horrible tragedy of breaking a rule.

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                    As a diabetic, I wasn’t able to obtain affordable insulin (which threatens my life), so I hijacked a truck and stole a case. This is clearly morally correct.

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                  Again, if you feel our rules are unfair there are mechanisms to change them. Ignoring them is not the proper approach.

                  Disagree. Ignoring unjust rules is awesome and more people should do it.

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                Sure, and you should just let random people off the street walk into your bedroom.

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                To make laws that man can not and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt. It is very important in a republic, that the people should respect the laws, for if we throw them to the winds, what becomes of civil government?

                —Elizabeth Cady Stanton (1860)

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              Every person walking across the border is giving a middle finger to the qualified LEGAL immigrants waiting YEARS to be naturalized, many of them with financial challenges of their own.

              🖕

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      Given the current policies of the Biden administration, my understanding is that most immigrants are actually going through the legal process of claiming asylum.

      Channel 5 did a little mini documentary about it that I personally enjoyed: https://youtu.be/2dQ4-VNaG3s

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        I fail to see how that legal process involves almost drowning in a river or becoming entangled in razor wire. We are talking about separate groups of people: some requesting asylum the LEGAL way and others taking a chance and YOLOing across the border.

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          Except that walking across the border and surrendering to the border patrol IS the legal way.

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            So then why are people swimming across rivers and getting ensnared in razor wire, vs legally crossing at designated entry points? If they intend to surrender to border patrol, why not enter the US where the border patrol is present instead of sneaking across? In Tijuana, one can stand in line, get cleared by customs and enter the country. None of that has anything to do with razor wire.

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              Because the entry points are closed.

              https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

              Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

              They are actually following the legal process

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                The entry points are closed? Not one person crosses the border from Mexico to the US each day?