• threeduck@aussie.zone
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      10 months ago

      Wherever there’s birds, it’s irresponsible to let cats out. NZ in particular, it’s a damn massacre out there.

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        10 months ago

        In the UK, the RSPB determines no negative impacts on bird populations. And the ecosystem is irrecoverably damaged from 3000 years of human impact on a relatively small island. Unlike new colonies like NZ, USA etc.

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          9 months ago

          The UK is losing its wildcat population because of british arrogance about cats.

          Youre also bringing in all your local predators into human settlements with the free food that cats become. Foxes love outdoor cats, theyre easy meals. You know what else loves cats? Tires. Smears a cat like jam.

          But whats another destroyed ecosystem to the brits? Yall love ruining ecosystems, may as well fill your own backyard with piss.

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            9 months ago

            The wildcats are in Northern Scotland. I’d be OK with the Scots banning outdoor cats.

            Foxes like bins, they don’t fight back.

            I’ve seen maybe 1 domestic cat hit by a car, I’ve seen hundreds of hedgehogs, foxes, badgers and deer. That’s not an outdoor cat problem.

            It’s easy to sit on a moral high horse about a country you don’t really know anything about. We didn’t come to this land 300 years ago. The concept of an intact ecosystem vanished about 1000 years ago. It is a completely different island. The best we can do is keep the last of our wild species ticking over.

            Unlike the Americans, who exploited and continue to exploit one of the most beautiful lands in the world, when they should have known better.

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              9 months ago

              The wildcats are now surviving in northern scotland. That was not their original range.

              Your lot thought a serial killer was on a cat mutilation spree, for 4 years, only to find out it was a fox that wasnt hiding its kills. So… No, sorry, you dont actually seem to know the country you live in very well. Foxes eat cats like candy, they just prefer to hide while they eat.

              But Im glad cat deaths only count when you see them, Im sure you cover your eyes often.

              “Unlike the americans.” Lol, ok bud. Because I know from actual formerly british researchers that you take care of your ecosystem as well as well as you take care of your relationship with the mainland.

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                9 months ago

                Okie doke. You’re clearly very angry about cats, so much so you managed to miss every point I made, good job.

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                  9 months ago

                  Your points werent missed, they were just wrong.

                  But youve made it clear that reality wont stop you killing cats or further ruining your local ecosystem, so farewell to the poor scottish wildcat.

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        10 months ago

        In countries where cats are native, they have significantly less impact on wildlife, or at the very least form a part of an ecosystem rather than being a manual introduction (admittedly one complication here is cat populations grouping up in suburban areas). As for safety for the cats, in their native countries they don’t have any serious predators to harm them.

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          10 months ago

          I don’t know if Finland is considered native for cats but it’s against the law to let cats roam freely because there’s a very real risk of them getting injured, disease or dying. Not just from predators but from humans and cars and so on. A dead cat on the side of the road is a too common of a sight. I think the effect on wildlife is seen as secondary and the welfare of the cat is the foremost reason for it.

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            I live in the UK where there are an estimated 10.8 million cats and have literally never seen “a dead cat on the side of the road”. I appreciate that it is a real risk and that it does happen, but you’re either blowing things out of proportion or there is something weird going on with Finnish cats and or Finnish drivers.

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                230,000÷10,800,000÷4x100%≈0.5%

                If I had to personally take that risk or stay in the house for the rest of my life. I’d choose freedom every time.

                What’s really more selfish and entitled? Imprisoning an animal for life in return for an increased 0.5% of safety or letting it makes its own choice?

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                  I was just showing you that there’s a lot of cats dying from accidents with cars. A lot more getting injured from it. And it’s just one hazard of many. That’s why it’s not seen as responsible pet ownership (and not legal) where I live to let them roam without supervision. Could get hit by a car and suffer horribly from it without you being able to do anything about it, which would be horrific.

                  What’s really more selfish and entitled? Imprisoning an animal for life in return for an increased 0.5% of safety or letting it makes its own choice?

                  I mean getting a cat is selfish to begin with since you are getting yourself a pet after all, but as a pet owner you’re supposed to take as good care of them as possible. It’s like with kids. Once you’ve made the decision to get one you’re responsible for it and it would be silly to expect a small child to make the decisions. You’re the one who is responsible for their well-being.

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                    9 months ago

                    If we’re going to get philosophical, is there truly such a thing as an unselfish act?

                    So you wouldn’t let a kid ever do anything that had any sort of risk at all? Do you know how many children die in RTAs each year? Would you stop your child from ever walking down the street or being in a car or bus?

                    If not, why is it ok to put your own child at risk of an RTA but not a cat?

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        10 months ago

        They’re saying that only people from the United States believe that outdoor cats are a net negative.

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          That’s not true. In Finland it’s actually against the law because it’s considered irresponsible animal ownership.

          USA isn’t the only place where there’s reason to fear the cat gets hurt, disease or could die.

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          That’s not what I’m saying. Not only the USA. Other places where domestic cats are very new, like USA, NZ, etc also probably shouldn’t do outdoor cats.