I will honestly say that, as someone who did not like Rogue One (I seem to be in a small minority), Andor was one of the best sci-fi series I’d seen in a while. I recommend watching it. It’s only barely related to the rest of Star Wars. There’s no Force or Jedi in it.
Rogue One and Solo were my two favorite of the Disney abominations. They were solid movies. Andor was amazing and could be watched by anyone who liked sci-fi: the story was compelling.
If they told more stories about not-jedi or troopers, it would be great.
Yeah Disney seems to think that if they’re not constantly bombarding us with references to characters and stories we’re nostalgic about, people will lose interest. Doesn’t matter if the story is shit, if there’s a Skywalker popping their head into the frame every few minutes saying “remember me?”, people will love it.
Andor proves that all we want is a good fucking story.
I’m at the point where I don’t think it’s that, but that the writers have been such high turnover/overworked/on-striked for the last 8 years that it’s all they can come up with.
Like what’s happening with Marvel right now, how multiple projects are having the exact same issue of having the overview but none of the specifics. Blade has been rewritten like 4 times now, Daredevil:BA has been reworked at least 3 times now I believe as well and recently decided that Netflix’s content actually will be canon, so…
That is basically the same story for Star Wars. Except IMO it’s even worse because J.J. Abrams basically made Star Trek a Star Wars movie and then when he got the opportunity to plan out a full trilogy he declines? Then when he doesn’t like the direction he comes back and doesn’t expand but retcons?
There’s no plan because it seems like there’s no longstanding consistent writers or team involved (Abrams + Kasdan, Johnson, then the Kasdan’s again) to have a full overarching story.
All that said, there are elements of all of them that I think are done really well. I don’t quite have the same perception of 8 for Luke’s character, visions of the Dark Side had him falter and the action onset Ben’s descent. It’s nearly a self fulfilling cycle and I don’t think it is entirely “out of character” for Luke so much as that scene to me feels like PTSD from his vision in Empire. He then emulates his Master Yoda, isolating and living on the land and minimizing his connection to the Force.
I think it works very well for his character with the circumstances surrounding it. What I’m more skeptical on is him leaving a cryptic pathway to finding him and the amount of time that passes through the rest of the movie, and his general demeanor when he’s found.
I have other issues with it, but overall I think it would have worked fine if the next movie had supported any of it, instead of just trying to “fix” whatever wasn’t part of the original vision. 9 has some aspects I like about it though, I think the Force Dyad was actually alright, their kiss isn’t my favorite but the way I see it is more of a merging of The Force than romance. tbh I can’t remember much else at the moment, I just know I’m like 50/50 on the sequels, there’s some parts that are conceptually really good and pulled of moderately well and then others that just make no sense and would clearly have been avoided with any semblance of some foresight.
I actually loved the Last Jedi and it’s by far my favorite of the sequel trilogy. The reason I liked it so much is that it took some genuine risks instead of retreading the same familiar story structure. While Johnson made some controversial decisions, it was way more interesting than JJ’s retcon nostalgia bait fluff. I’m sad RJ didn’t get to finish the trilogy.
Hear here! Andor was a psychological thriller filled with conspiracy and intrigue with the window dressing of Star Wars. It could have taken place anytime, anywhere and still been the same show.
Seriously, just watch it. It isn’t a Star Wars story besides the setting. It is the singular thing that gives me some hope the Star Wars franchise can be better than it has been.
Andor is the best Star Wars has ever been, on my opinion. That said (and I think this is why it’s so good), it’s probably closer to Trek than Wars. It actually cares about the people in the world and their reasons for doing things. It cares about motivations and what drives people to do what they do. It wants to use it’s position to analyze humanity, not just make a flashy action movie.
No I completely agree with you. Without those first two Abrams Trek movies, I probably wouldn’t have ever watched any of the Trek shows.
Him and Rian Johnson fucked Star Wars though. Completely ruined it for me and I refuse to watch any new Star Wars content.
I will honestly say that, as someone who did not like Rogue One (I seem to be in a small minority), Andor was one of the best sci-fi series I’d seen in a while. I recommend watching it. It’s only barely related to the rest of Star Wars. There’s no Force or Jedi in it.
Rogue One and Solo were my two favorite of the Disney abominations. They were solid movies. Andor was amazing and could be watched by anyone who liked sci-fi: the story was compelling.
If they told more stories about not-jedi or troopers, it would be great.
Yeah Disney seems to think that if they’re not constantly bombarding us with references to characters and stories we’re nostalgic about, people will lose interest. Doesn’t matter if the story is shit, if there’s a Skywalker popping their head into the frame every few minutes saying “remember me?”, people will love it.
Andor proves that all we want is a good fucking story.
I’m at the point where I don’t think it’s that, but that the writers have been such high turnover/overworked/on-striked for the last 8 years that it’s all they can come up with.
Like what’s happening with Marvel right now, how multiple projects are having the exact same issue of having the overview but none of the specifics. Blade has been rewritten like 4 times now, Daredevil:BA has been reworked at least 3 times now I believe as well and recently decided that Netflix’s content actually will be canon, so…
That is basically the same story for Star Wars. Except IMO it’s even worse because J.J. Abrams basically made Star Trek a Star Wars movie and then when he got the opportunity to plan out a full trilogy he declines? Then when he doesn’t like the direction he comes back and doesn’t expand but retcons?
There’s no plan because it seems like there’s no longstanding consistent writers or team involved (Abrams + Kasdan, Johnson, then the Kasdan’s again) to have a full overarching story.
All that said, there are elements of all of them that I think are done really well. I don’t quite have the same perception of 8 for Luke’s character, visions of the Dark Side had him falter and the action onset Ben’s descent. It’s nearly a self fulfilling cycle and I don’t think it is entirely “out of character” for Luke so much as that scene to me feels like PTSD from his vision in Empire. He then emulates his Master Yoda, isolating and living on the land and minimizing his connection to the Force.
I think it works very well for his character with the circumstances surrounding it. What I’m more skeptical on is him leaving a cryptic pathway to finding him and the amount of time that passes through the rest of the movie, and his general demeanor when he’s found.
I have other issues with it, but overall I think it would have worked fine if the next movie had supported any of it, instead of just trying to “fix” whatever wasn’t part of the original vision. 9 has some aspects I like about it though, I think the Force Dyad was actually alright, their kiss isn’t my favorite but the way I see it is more of a merging of The Force than romance. tbh I can’t remember much else at the moment, I just know I’m like 50/50 on the sequels, there’s some parts that are conceptually really good and pulled of moderately well and then others that just make no sense and would clearly have been avoided with any semblance of some foresight.
I actually loved the Last Jedi and it’s by far my favorite of the sequel trilogy. The reason I liked it so much is that it took some genuine risks instead of retreading the same familiar story structure. While Johnson made some controversial decisions, it was way more interesting than JJ’s retcon nostalgia bait fluff. I’m sad RJ didn’t get to finish the trilogy.
I would have been interested to see where he went with it, though I do wish he would have reworked Finns casino plot
Yeah that space Monaco sequence was pretty lame. But other than that, I liked the movie
Hear here! Andor was a psychological thriller filled with conspiracy and intrigue with the window dressing of Star Wars. It could have taken place anytime, anywhere and still been the same show.
I’ve heard good things but after all this time, I still fume when I hear Star Wars. Maybe one day
Seriously, just watch it. It isn’t a Star Wars story besides the setting. It is the singular thing that gives me some hope the Star Wars franchise can be better than it has been.
Andor is the best Star Wars has ever been, on my opinion. That said (and I think this is why it’s so good), it’s probably closer to Trek than Wars. It actually cares about the people in the world and their reasons for doing things. It cares about motivations and what drives people to do what they do. It wants to use it’s position to analyze humanity, not just make a flashy action movie.