• DessertStorms@kbin.social
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    10 months ago

    Growing up kids generally know it’s OK to love everyone, what you should be asking is who teaches us it isn’t, and why

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      Well, if your like me you might forget who taught you and think maybe you were taught wrong. Knowing it was PBS reassures me that it wasn’t some bullshit I read on a snapple cap but something we all learned and society had accepted as a universal truth.

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        I really don’t think relying on something having come from PBS to prove it isn’t bullshit, or worse, “a universal truth”, is the best plan…

        To reiterate my previous point - human beings don’t need to be taught to love or be kind or share or cooperate, those things are hardwired in us, have been for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years, so there is no need for you to remember who taught you these things, because no one did.
        What we are taught, in large by the media as well as education systems (beyond maybe pre-school where kids are still allowed to just be kids rather than worker drones in training), and our parents, who were indoctrinated in the same ways we are, is that the opposite is true and that we are designed to compete, and “the strongest survive” and all that other capitalistic, white supremacist, patriarchal, cisheteronormative, ableist bullshit designed to divide us and keep us from turning on those imposing these artificial systems.

        So again - asking where you learned to love will never get you an answer, because you were born that way. If you want to know why, as an adult, it doesn’t seem true or acceptable anymore, but more importantly - to combat the problem, you have to be asking who is engineering this natural instinct out of society and making you believe it isn’t ok to love everyone, and why.

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          Humans have hit living things with sticks and rocks since we learned it hurts them more than us. You can’t blame patriarchy or the media for that.

          Hate and fear are inherent to people. But that’s like how we have an inherent appetite for sugar, fat, and salt.

          Love is like exercise. Sometimes kids want to do nothing, sometimes all they want to do it run around. They need to learn that it is good for them and ultimately makes them feel good. Some do on their own, some need to be taught, and some don’t learn it and make a point to avoid it. And the longer you go without doing it, the harder it is to start again.

          We built societies and civilizations on the very idea of being greater than our nature.

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          You totally misread what I said so I’m not even going to bother with your wall of text. Bettin 1/10 I’m going to have to block you.

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              I really don’t think relying on something having come from PBS to prove it isn’t bullshit, or worse, “a universal truth”, is the best plan…

              Sounds like an argument. No, you’re right, it’s an argument but it’s not with me because that is not what I said.

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                10 months ago

                Literally a direct reply to what you said lol

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                  Read what I said

                  Knowing it was PBS reassures me that it wasn’t some bullshit I read on a snapple cap but something we all learned and society had accepted as a universal truth.

                  When I said it wasn’t bullshit I was specifically referring to piffy bullshit that appears in slogans, advertisements, and on “snapple caps.” I wasnt saying it (referring to “It’s OK to love anyone”) wasn’t bullshit but just a specific kind of bullshit.

                  I also never implied that what PBS says is a universal truth. Only that the fact that because it was shown on PBS, universally watched pubilc programming, society had adopted it as a ‘universal truth’.

                  Either way, those are the things I am willing to argue about.

                  I really don’t think relying on something having come from PBS to prove it isn’t bullshit, or worse, “a universal truth”, is the best plan.

                  ^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^ I am not.

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                    I never said it was a universal truth just that it’s a societal universal truth