JailElonMusk

The ol’ we can’t save everyone so why save anyone argument. Bold strategy cotton.

Also, since we’re talking about drug deaths do you know what county has the highest IN THE WORLD?

The United States, so yeah if we can copy Finland’s homework and reduce our homeless by 435k, why wouldn’t we?

Oh that’s right the guy on the Internet gate keeping who can call him a selfish asshole says it might not work.

P.S. Finland had 253 people die of drug overdoses in 2023 with a population of 5.5 million.

(4.6 deaths per 100,000 people)

The US had 105,000 people die of drug overdoses in 2023 with a population of 335 million.

(31.3 deaths per 100,000 people)

I gave specific examples of countries that have reduced homelessness effectively and humanely (Finland, Norway, etc ), cited my sources and multiple solutions (not just housing, although it is a large part of fixing checks notes HOMELESSNESS?), and replied to your comment of nothing evil happening in the world?

Here’s another article for you to not read or comprehend:

https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/look-finlands-housing-first-initiative

Spoiler Alert: As I know reading isn’t your favorite, their solution is called Housing First (it also contains many of your same ideas that I also mentioned below). Well except for locking them up in asylums because that’s as cruel as it is stupid and ineffective.

Double Spoiler Alert: As a singular example (of which there are many), Finland has a third of the homeless population percentage that we do in this country, and our GDP is 83x that of Finland. You’ll find that when you “RE-READ, with an attention to understanding what we’re talking about instead of reading with the intention of rebuttal”.

If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person on the planet. I have experienced homelessness, and I’ve also helped lift people out of it. Can you say the same?

It’s obvious you’ve tried nothing and you’re all out of ideas. We don’t need to give them housing but we need to lock them up because many are criminals?

I’m arguing to help our fellow men and tax billionaires to give support to those in need and treat them with the same dignity and humanity we would anyone else.

We are not the same. I hope you find peace and faith in your fellow man again, until then I wish you luck on continuing to punch down to those in need on the Internet and sucking the toes of the richest man alive.

TL;DR: Homelessness is a multi-faceted issue that requires a complex and thoughtful solution including strong social support system, treatment, counseling, EMPATHY, and yeah a fucking roof over their head.

P.S. I don’t HAVE to disagree with everything Elon says, I GET the distinct pleasure to because of how incredibly stupid and corrupt he is. After all, fighting and opposing Nazis is as American as Apple Pie.

That’s a good and thoughtful question, with no easy answer.

My opinion is I don’t believe you can force someone to receive help, but you can incentivise them through rehabilitation, job training, counseling and housing.

At the end of the day, we need to respect their rights and not infringe on them. If they don’t want help, then they are part of the .06% that chooses homelessness.

It’s like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t explain empathy and compassion to him on the Internet.

If billionaires firing average citizens and restricting our benefits/rights to enrich themselves isn’t evil? What is?

If cutting cancer research for cancer patients while pretending to care about a single cancer survivor isn’t evil? What is?

If illegally detaining and deporting US citizens and immigrants without due process and ignoring the rule of law so they can be tortured? What is?

If MILLIONS of people around the globe dying of disease to give the richest man in the world a tax break isn’t evil? What is?

If you actively are the richest man in the world and you wake up every day with enough money to end childhood poverty, diseases, and illness and you actively choose not to? If that isn’t evil, what is?

Curious to see what your definition of evil is, and how quickly you will move the goal post when we get there?

Make it make sense to me, take all the time you need.

My dose of reality is realizing that other countries have already solved this problem. This isn’t a closed book test.

We as a country are actively putting the needs of Elon Musk over the needs of 435,000 people sleeping on the streets at night.

Your quote is actually brilliant, because the other interpretation is when people HAVE intention to do something but do nothing. That’s exactly what I’m arguing against, doing nothing.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”

Absolutely, and thank you for your reply. Learning and expansion of ideas and thoughts only comes from good conversation and discourse. That’s what makes this such a complex and difficult issue.

There is an inevitability of homelessness in a country is unavoidable, yes. Just like the inevitable need for criminal justice programs to detain, deter, and rehabilitate those who break the law.

No argument from me on the facts, there WILL be homelessness and crime in any society. (This is for my sunshine and rainbows friend up top also).

So let’s figure out how much that SHOULD be:

https://www.greaterchange.co.uk/post/which-country-handles-homelessness-the-best

Finland currently has a homelessness rate of .06% (2023) of their population. So let’s say that’s the baseline when you give people a fair shot, benefits, and treat them with care, and the remaining of those people that won’t take help when offered.

The United States has a rate THREE times that at .19% homelessness. Despite having a GDP output, 83 times as large as the US.

Since I went to public school, percentages make me woozy so let’s put it in whole numbers.

636,500 fellow citizens are homeless in the US (.19%).

If we adopted Finland’s (already proved 35+ year plan) we could get that down to 201,000 over time. Heck if it takes 35 years as well, at least we’re helping them.

That’s 435,500 fellow citizens (Or a city the size of Cincinnati) that are sleeping on the street tonight, so that ONE MAN Elon Musk can pay less taxes.

Fellow Americans, until we vote these billionaires out of office and tax them (oh I don’t know, at least as much as you and I pay) we are either ignoring the issue or complicit and I for one don’t want to be either.

TL;DR: This is just one example why we should lift up those below us, and not be pessimistic about our fellow man.

Most of our homeless want a fair shot, mental health counseling, and rehabilitation.

We need to advocate for them and help them just like if we were reading this sleeping on the street.

You’re almost there, and I sincerely value your input. Let’s go on this journey together…

What if we treated them like human beings in need of care and rehabilitation instead of criminals who can’t “hold down a job”?

Why do they not make it out of poverty?

Is it because they can’t afford to? Why is that?

Is it because they can’t afford to make ends meet on a minimum wage job? Can’t find affordable housing? Can’t pay for child care, counseling, health care, or rehab?

What if we helped them get rid of their addiction and didn’t jail them for it?

If we’re going to write off an entire vulnerable demographic of society, we as the functional members have an obligation to ensure that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are available to all. Not just those who can afford it.

Many other first world countries do this successfully already, the problem with our country comes down to the money being made keeping these people locked up and incarcerated.

Look up Norway, Finland, Sweden and their response to crime and rehabilitation. It works, if you focus on helping people instead of helping profits.

Imagine a world where those in need got the billions of dollars in tax payer subsidies that Elon Musk gets?

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Alright I’ll bite, even if Hairplug Himmler is right (and let’s be perfectly clear, he’s not).

Why wouldn’t we as Americans want to help our fellow citizens overcome drug use, treat mental illness, and help rehabilitation efforts on their behalf?

ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE “VIOLENT” and “on the street”. Wouldn’t we want to help them get off the streets?

Wouldn’t that make us safer, happier, healthier, and dare I say… Great Again? Wouldn’t that protect citizens and police officers alike at a lower cost than incarceration? (Spoiler alert it would, but there’s no private for profit companies offering this service).

Wouldn’t these people become tax payers? Employees contributing to society? Become future homebuyers and start a family?

These empathy lacking neo-fascist clowns can’t stop punching down to those less fortunate (while claiming the lords name in vain) and I can’t wait for the day we get the opportunity to match their empathy as they head to prison (preferably one in El Salvador).

That’s a good little free speech absolutist.

Remove content you are responsible for creating because you are self incriminating yourself.

Billionaire fear is back on the menu boys!

Keep it up and one day we’ll toast to his incarceration, hopefully with all the “empathy and due process” they’ve been showing to our America citizens and green card holders.

Alternative headline:

“38% of Americans are so addicted to NewsMax, Fox News, and OAN that they can’t stop sucking the toes of billionaires to “own the libs”, even as he cuts billions of dollars for them and the veterans, children, poor, sick, and needy.”

Millions of people will die for the sake of Hairplug Himmler’s fragile ego and masculinity.

Okay hear me out. People who intentionally damage Teslas SHOULD go to jail.

Let’s start with the Elon, who released a vehicle that is the most unsafe in modern history (17x more dangerous than the Ford Pinto, and is responsible for 5 fire related deaths SO FAR), and is averaging a new recall every 2 months since production.

With such classic hits as:

Faulty gas pedals causing “unintended acceleration”

Trim that can isn’t glued on correctly and can fly off

Stainless steel that will rust

Font that is too small on warning signs

A truck that can’t go through a car wash

Front single windshield wiper can fail leading to a loss in visibility

Bed panel trim can fall off

A cast plastic body and trailer hitch leading to catastrophic towing accidents

Backup camera won’t display images correctly

Inverter failure causing a loss of power while driving

Tpms system failure

…And many more still to come!

Or is this not about crimes of “hurting Americans and hurting Teslas” and more about hurting a single billionaires sad little feelings?

TL;DR:

If you made even a single CyberTruck level fuck up at your job, you’d be fired the same day.

Your stock wouldn’t rise, you couldn’t buy your way out of jail, and you’d be completely screwed.

They say they want a meritocracy, but these Nazis are white privilege at it’s finest thriving in an Idiocracy.

The richest man in the world ain’t getting pity from me.

Lock him up!

It should say

“Moscow Mitch, who dedicated his spineliness chinless life to pumping dark money into America politics and selling out his constituents, the constitution, and our freedoms just realized people may not like that”.

Could it just be that their brains are defective?

There once was a man named Musk,

Whose kindness was starting to rust.

He trimmed what he could,

For the wealthy, he’d stood,

While the needy were left in the dust.

They buy our votes, they buy our laws, A system twisted by their claws. Billionaires with fascist dreams, Leverage power through broken seams.

With every dollar, they seal the gate, To keep us bound, to crush our state. Freedom’s just a word they own, A throne they sit on, all alone.

As the child of boomers, I couldn’t agree more. This is something I’ve been struggling to find as well.

For those that need some musical/cultural inspiration as I did:

1. My favorite Hip-hop song to protest to: https://youtu.be/y9oUnC8JtXY
2. My favorite Dance song to protest to: https://youtu.be/PuWVgVkMiHE
3. Best Comedian to make you laugh about MAGAts (emphasis on the low T): Cliff Cash https://youtu.be/PPkqBK_Tox0

Best overall peaceful protest vibes:

Rage Against the Machines station on Spotify.

This is what inspires me, if you have anything that inspires you please share! Let’s give each other hope to change the world.

Oh I can help, as this is why I’m here on Lemmy now after 12 years (happened last week).

1. My username. No, seriously I tried to join r/ElonMusk and they banned me.
2. Then I switched to my normal (*non-troll killer) account, and got banned.
3. They said I was evading my ban from another account?
4. I was informed I had a week long ban, immediately deleted my main account and told them to pound Russian sand.