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I totally feel that and I hope you are finding fulfilling outlets while the vast majority of Jewish institutions drop the ball in the most disheartening of ways. Not to reveal too much about myself, but I am struggling with the same. If you are looking for some re-grounding in real Jewishness devoid of Zionism, you might want to check out Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro and his podcast if you haven’t already (and share it with your friends who are going through their awakening). While he is solidly a lib, so take any politics of his not related to Zionism with a spoon of salt and/or a big waive of your hand (he doesn’t really engage in political analysis outside of Zionism, it’s just off the cuff stuff he says about capitalism and communism), he’s sort of a virtual schul for understanding what Judaism and Jews are and what Zionism is (the opposite of Judaism - a radical, Evangelical strain of anti-semitism).

https://www.committinghighreason.com

Or you can read the phonebook-length book he wrote on the subject (I have not read this book yet and sorry for the amazon link - it’s his own link to the book) https://www.amazon.com/Empty-Wagon-Zionisms-Journey-Identity-ebook/dp/B08CVSBZF2/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1610490743&sr=8-1

Is CIA one word or three words?

First off, I saw this after your edit and I think it’s great how much thought you put into it.

Western Jews and Christians usually grow up in absolute Zionist saturation so even early into the process of their realization they still have a lot of conscious and subconscious barriers to taking that final mental leap. If this is their first real confrontation with the reality, it can take time to break through them. Hopefully by now they’ve entered the Norm Finkelstein crocodile tears phase.

Edit: bonus link for context and anyone who hasn’t seen it https://youtu.be/FtpgGxeCGpM?si=0M4GV0YsNjdvImcs

This is so upsetting if you know Gaza’s history of the past, say 20 yrs. Even more so when you bring it up to your friend who’s Jewish a Zionist and you hear them repeat the propaganda lines of “but Israel must have the right to defend itself agains hAmAs”. So you ask “how many deaths will it be enough?”. Apparently we’re past 25k deaths with no stop in sight so who knows amarite. This is just heartbreaking.

Fixed it for you, please do better in the future

Pretty big talk for a 2 day old burner account. Somebody post the fedposting emoji.

Biden has actually been this openly ghoulish for a half a century at this point. Look for that quote from him on the senate floor in the 80s talking about the massacres in Lebanon.

Arguably saved democracy in Europe

Russel Crowe just can’t seem to catch a break

Ugh, this sounds like is a white supremacist talking about how mass violence is a sacred part of white “culture”, and I’m the real bigot for not simply letting white people annihilate all life on earth for the lulz.___

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Any good links? I assumed it was pretext but now what you said has me super curious of the actual merits even without the whole Zionism angle.

Also, since I’m commenting anyway, anyone else read the caption as her “resigning from Harvard’s Jewish community”?

If you want to hear a really good breakdown of the history of Judaism and the evolution of Zionism and the creation of Jewish Zionism, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro is much more in depth than me https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/committing-high-reason/id1549088377?i=1000616323210 And the specific fascist connection https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/committing-high-reason/id1549088377?i=1000585480685

And that’s, of course, a peak at the book he wrote about Zionism as Jewish identity theft, but here is the two-cent version:

Judaism is a religion and Zionism is a political ideology. Jews represent the entire spectrum of the human experience, including the spectrum of political opinions. Zionists believe (or at least claim) the the State of Israel is the state and government of all Jews all over the world, that jews are entitled to the land by right of birth, and ultimately that all Jews should live there and nowhere else.

Longer version.

Jewish religion identifies certain people as Jews. According to the Jewish religion, the one god, who has a specific name so we call him HaShem (the name), gave the people who left Egypt during the exodus the Torah. These people were dubbed the Jews who were therefore “chosen” to fulfill the laws of the Torah. The laws of the Torah require these chosen people to obey 613 commandments while all others only have to obey 7. When all people on earth live by these commandments, HaShem will literally physically return to restore his terrestrial kingdom in Jerusalem with the resurrected King David sitting at his side.

The Jewish religion identifies the Jewish people as those who received HaShem’s laws at Mt. Sanai, their matrilineal descendants, and anyone who duly converts to the religion and their matrilineal descendants. The Jewish religion has been practiced by people all over the world for thousands of years. There are major Jewish ethnicities from certain places but prior to the adoption of Zionism by certain Jews in the late nineteenth century, Jews did not consider themselves separate political entities from the societies they inhabited nor did they consider themselves part of any united political entity with Jews from other countries.

Zionism is a political ideology that posits that there should be a state in the Levant that is specifically the “Jewish State.” The Zionist ideology necessarily posits that the Jewish people are a race or nation in the sense of modern political nationalism. That this nation needs a political entity and a piece of territory from which it can operate on behalf of all Jewish people, as defined by the state. It’s hard at this point not to draw the direct line between the European nationalist movements that otherwise collapsed in the 1940s (a German State for the German People, a French State for the French people, an English state for the English people, and a Jewish state for the Jewish people).

For hundreds of years, the ideology was more or less exclusively seen within Western European Protestant communities. The pilgrims at Plymouth, who thought of themselves as new hebrews, were Zionists. The Protestant idea of Zionism rests upon the reading of the New Testament as a prophecy that once the Jews reconquer Israel, the second coming of Jesus will occur. At which point the Jews will either convert to Christianity or die.

In the 19th century, particularly in Britain, Germany, and the US, this Protestant vision of the bringing of the end times was combined with European nationalism in part to explain the existence of all the Jews whose presence in all these countries undermined nationalist dogma and, in any case, served as a perfect “other” to hone the “nation” in each country.

At this time a group of assimilated, secular, western Jews adopted Zionism in its nationalist sense and, because of their secular background/sometimes on purpose, with a misunderstanding of Jewish religious traditions about the holy land and the present relationship between the land and the Jews. This Jewish movement gained a lot of momentum, in part because of the overwhelming support of western governments which were Zionist prior to Jewish Zionism. Because of the shared ideology with nationalism, the Jewish Zionists found common cause with fascist movements, particularly in Mussolini’s Italy, but also in Germany itself, including major Nazi organizations such as the SS — Adolph Eichmann spoke at his trial about all of the assistance he gave Zionist Jews to get to Palestine before the British government stopped letting him do so. The British were trying to militarily manage the pressure cooker they created by establishing the Jewish mandate in 1918 and officially kicking off a period of violent settler colonialism all during the escalation of a war with Germany at that time.

Many of the militant bridges during the Mandatory Palestine era were directly tied to fascist military organizations in Axis countries. Importantly, and this is what one of those pods above goes into, the founders of the organizations that would evolve into the current governing party, Likud, were directly trained and equipped by fascist state organizations with whom they shared a driving political philosophy. In all, the fact that the language used by the current government of the state of Israel sounds like it came out of a national socialist pamphlet is not some weird “time is a flat circle” thing. The modern movement within the state was founded by literal, historical, national socialists.

-typed with my thumbs, pls forgive typos

No worries. In a world saturated with Zionist language it’s hard to not accidentally step in it sometimes.

1. Please don’t conflate Israel and “Jews.” Zionists control the mainstream news, not the Jews. Zionists control the US government, not the Jews. Most Zionists are Christians, especially in the United States.

2. Zionism has always leaned into antisemitic tropes because it is a fundamentally antisemitic ideology so this is by design and they hope that casual observers will conflate Zionists actions with Jews generally to increase global antisemitism.

Pretty telling that Zionist Jews care so much about Santa. I prefer the classical Jewish position of “Santa is a Christian myth that doesn’t belong in secular spaces.”

But this is exactly the point. Zionists invented the concept of Jewish ethnicity and then shoe-horned Jews of all different ethnicities into big boxes that don’t have any biological, cultural or scientific reality. Because they wanted to pretend like there was a consistent gene pool of people with common blood. But it was and is artificial.

Zionists have pushed a thesis that there is a Jewish ethnicity but there is not one. There are multiple ethnicities where many if not most members are Jewish but to say a Jew from Eastern Europe and a Jew from Ethiopia are the same ethnicity is patently absurd if the word “ethnicity” is used consistently with how it’s otherwise used for any other “ethnic” group. Also, literally anyone can convert to Judaism and they are then 100% Jewish as are their progeny. You can’t just change your ethnicity like that.

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Turning it into a hyperbolic comparison immediately diffused just how apt the comparison is in other ways