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Cake day: December 13th, 2023

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  • Hi [email protected]

    I hope you are having a great day! I probably overanswered below, but I think the context is helpful and not fully a “debate”. I can remove this if you think I am trying to be “debating” or “combative”.


    I think this post is talking about the epicurian paradox: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurean_paradox

    I did not say that the only purpose is to “test us”, I was stating that “development of human intelligence” was one of the key reasons for the plan to have evil available in this life. When I looked at that picture, I felt like it left out the possibility of “development of children of god” as a possible reason in that flow chart.

    The other feedback loops of

    • “could it be done without” > “yes” > “then why didn’t he” Mormons have a good why below or
    • “could it be done without” > “no” > “then he is not omnipotent”

    These seem like they might be true as sound bytes, but I think they are wrong about the scope of the plan: To have God’s kids become Gods.

    Mormons believe that God had innumerable children before the universe existed. The children had only spirit bodies and God was the only one with a spirit and physical body. God wanted them to become more like him. He presented a plan that would include a time of “probation” (aka life on earth) where we would (1) have no memory of before (2) have choice between good and evil just like God has and (3) do the steps to gain a physical body. This life has all of these. (NOTE: most people who profess to be christian try to say that these beliefs mean that mormons are not christian. When i read Romans 8:17, I see that this is exactly what was taught by Jesus Christ and his followers.)

    Mormons also believe that the evil came from one of God’s children (Lucifer) offering a different plan where (1) there would be no choice and (2) all of God’s children would be choosing “Good” and (3) all would be gaining a physical body. Lucifer and those he convinced were cast out of heaven and act as “Satan and his angels”, and they never got physical bodies.

    In conclusion: if God is trying to make his children joint heirs with christ (aka Gods) then including in the scope of the plan a choice of evil seems like something that he couldn’t take out of the plan without losing the point of the whole thing.





  • My understanding is that the trinity from the nicene creed is a political document (not truthful nor religious) and it was designed to be universal(a translation of catholic) so that natives in each land (Christians and pagans) could have lip service that “we believe what you do” by the political catholic clergy who were the only ones allowed to interpret scriptures (or you had a Heretic death penalty) until the political power was secured, and after power was secured, a creed and rosary was enough to keep free thinking in line.











  • The concept of retirement for working class people is new (aristocrats retired all throughout time)

    • invented in Germany by a priest in 1600s but died out
    • independently invented in America when a soldier in the military (late 1700s) had both his arms blown off and a law was passed for him to collect an amount for his (and family’s) maintenance from the neighbors.

    Before invention of retirement, the working class had the mentality that you work until you are dead with 99% of the working class in brown collar work. During the industrial revolution where most people transitioned from brown collar to blue collar work, retirement became much more common with social mobility.

    During the great depression, USA legislators picked a number “65” to be the “age of retirement” with the reasoning that it would get more young people back to work. The average age of mortality at that time was ~67 years old. They did not index that age with the average age of mortality, so as life expectancy increased, there is now a period in people’s life to be “retired”.

    Problems with how this developed:

    • social security in the USA is not able to keep paying out at this rate, the age of retirement should be more closely aligned with an “indexed” age whether that is the current average age of mental incompetence or an actuarially determined “you did your time, so you can now get out and your contributions should fund the government support of you”. The political cycle will probably destroy any hard to understand actuarial index, so that leaves us with the first option.
    • retired people are a political force (high voter turnout). It is easy to vote to get a raise and ignore issues that would bring actual long term growth when you have a short term mentality. I think that accepting 100% of the cost of your maintenance from the government may be the price of your vote (you cannot vote if you are retired). I am sure that this is another unpopular opinion.

    With that perspective, I don’t know if corporations are entitled here, or the people are just doing what their ancestors did for 1,000s of years and are owning it in a positive way.