He is a snake, and an institutional elite. Fuck all of that.

I upvoted you because of the hardcoded pessimism in me, but I think the reality is a bit more complex.

Everyone directly in the Trump family loyalist orbit obviously wants permanent hegemonic control of the Executive branch. However, the bro-ligarchs really want President VC “Vulture Capital” Vance at the helm. From their perspective this has been a Trojan Horse operation the entire time. The Senate leaders want to maintain power, and they are all thinking of their own long term political careers. Who knows what the fucking House GOP wants because it is filled with reality television freaks at this point, so their opinions don’t really even matter anymore.

The interests of these different factions may be publicly aligned from a PR perspective, but behind the scenes I can assure you that it is going to be a fucking gladiatorial circus of quietly slitting each others throats in order to maintain power for many different diametrically opposed groups that owe fealty to their own wealthy benefactors.

If we learned anything from the first four years of Donald Trump it is that he has a short fuse, a tremendous inability to rally long term support from even the most sycophantic cucks in his orbit, and that eventually the shit starts seeping out from behind the drywall whether they want it to or not. All will not be well in the kingdom of fools for long…

I understand the sentiment, but it will never happen. Killing “Whites”, especially whites named “Jack Smith” is bad for optics. Now Letitia James and Fani Willis is another story entirely. If I was either one of them I’d be getting my ass on a plane to someplace with a non-extradition treaty post haste.

“COMMUNIST MARXIST FASCISTS” are our preferred pronouns according to Shitler.

Relevant username is relevant.

Thune is at least a proponent of NATO, and supporter of Ukraine in so far as it repels Russian aggression in the region. So at least we know the mandate in the Senate for the moment.

I wouldn’t go anywhere near saying he was a good choice, but he was the least bad choice of the three options by a country fucking mile.

Same. Le sigh 😕

This has been my thought lately as well. Donald Trump is simply a convenient means to an end. He is so ignorant and narcissistic that he will never see it coming when he is eventually given the Julius Caesar treatment by the techno-fascists.

The real oligarchy that is actually wealthy instead of pretend wealthy is chomping at the bit to get in the big chair permanently. Now that there is ample precedent with multiple assassination attempts on Donald Trump’s life, all they need to do is have him assassinated for real, declare martial law as you said, and then install their chosen dictator as the public lever puller.

They can blame this on whatever patsy is most convenient to allow them to swiftly tighten controls on an unsuspecting public. The ironic part being that in a twisted turn of fate, we may eventually end up in a situation where some of the people who got deported turn out to be the lucky ones. As Aimé Césaire warned, fascism is colonialism turned inwards, and whatnot…

The goal needs to be a total social and economic embargo. Completely exclude them from our lives in any way possible. We are now in an existential war for the future of liberal society. Let’s hope it stays mostly ideological, but I’m not holding my breath.

NO APPROACH IS GOING TO WORK.

You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into in the first place. If you think you are going to out-logic any of these people into changing their minds you don’t actually understand the way fascist ideology grows & becomes entrenched within a population. Your thought process that you can change their minds by treating them as intelligent members of a well-functioning social order is such okie-doke ass pick-me behavior you should be embarrassed you even attempted to float it. That only serves to further reinforce the legitimacy of their ideas in their own minds. Grow the fuck up.

There are plenty of perfectly intelligent people that voted for trump.

No, there aren’t. The truly intelligent people who support Donald Trump are in the Machiavellian evil camp. They are the herding dogs that use their understanding of the weaknesses of human psychology to manipulate the rest of the stupid, unwashed masses who blindly follow Donald Trump because of their in-group dynamics.

The intelligent epicenter makes up an extremely small margin of hyper-wealthy (and/or) moral Nihilists who’s goal is to collapse U.S. hegemony and by-proxy Western society so they can economically enslave the remaining remnants of the human race with discretionary economic power.

So, no, it is not “plenty”. It is an incredibly small subset of individuals who actually understand what is going on, and are using it to their direct advantage.

You have just described how every evangelical infantalizes “God’s” will. These are learned psychological frameworks that are being copy pasted between different control vectors at will at this point.

I am serious when I say there is no conceivable way to deprogram and reprogram the vast majority of them. The goal needs to be a total social and economic embargo. Completely exclude them from our lives in any way possible.

These words are violence.

That would require me to speak to them, which is something I refuse to do at this point. I’m only interested in communicating with people IRL who wish to be a part of the socio-cultural resistance.

Sick burn 🔥

I see now where the confusion lies I believe. It seems to me that you think I am arguing IN FAVOR of moving to the middle. I am absolutely, unequivocally, and under no circumstances in support of that strategy. What I am arguing is that when you have a candidate with no true ideological convictions, and that does not believe in the radical reorientation of the Democratic party towards true economic populism then the only option you are left with is pandering to the middle. I agree it has been a complete and total failure, and that it was always doomed to fail in the long run even if it miraculously worked in the short term (2020). I knew it was going to be a failed strategy in 2016, I knew it was going to lead to future failure after 2020, and that was proven to be true again in 2024. I fucking agree with you.

I don’t understand why you think working with them, compromising with them when they do nothing but give empty promises and bullshit excuses, is somehow going to magically turn the party left because of one cult-like candidate (who we had, btw, Bernie, the DNC shit all over him, remember) who “centralizes power.”

This is not what I am suggesting at all. I want zero compromise with the right, ever. I want absolute, uncompromising, ideological militance from the left and its leadership. Bernie was never going to provide that. While I absolutely believe in the genuine nature of his beliefs, and appreciate what he did to wake up so much of the Millennial generation in this country, he ultimately was too old and lacked the courage of his convictions.

What we need is new leadership who is willing, ready, and able to build a political apparatus that is capable of organizing and maintaining the advantages that come along with engaging in structural violence when necessary. That means economically embargoing conservative states, and corporations. It means systematically organizing and overtaking local governments in strategically advantageous districts. It means building organizations that allow people to escape regressive social, familial, religious, or economic situations that are keeping them trapped and unproductive to the cause. It means encouraging those people to cut off social access to anyone that does not share in their ideological convictions. No more fucking around. I want a legitimate push toward radicalizing the population, and showing people how to effectively use their numbers to their advantage.

For some reason you thought I was arguing for centrism, when what I am really arguing for is centralized, organized, strategic revolution. Hopefully that clears things up.

I’m fine with tacking to the left.

Until you have someone who is willing to threaten to rally the same kind of structural violence that Donald Trump is capable of in opposition, and actually make good on it, then moving to the middle is the only logical option.

Which fucking part of that did you not understand?

Moving to the left is good, and desirable. If you want to do that effectively you need the advantage of structural violence that is provided by the organized hierarchical structure of a serious political party.

So, we need a candidate who is willing to forcibly restructure the Democratic party in the way Trump did to the Republican party. Simply just wanting a candidate to support more left wing policies is not enough. They must centralize support for those populist positions.

Did you somehow miss, or just conveniently ignore the first part of my comment where I literally called for a revolutionary candidate who was willing to restructure the face of the left by whatever means necessary?

I don’t think we are actually in disagreement at all. I agree with every single thing you just framed out in your reply. I believe were just explaining different pieces of the same premise using our own perspective as the prism.

Edit: Didn’t really intend for the alliteration, but I liked it so I decided to leave it even though normally I think that is kinda cringe…

No it isn’t. It is essentially statistically impossible.