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  • Open protocols and APIs seem pretty meaningless to me if there’s a single point of control for the brand.

    You’d need to expand on this more for me to understand you. Yes there’s a single point of control from a moderation standpoint (labeler), as there is on Lemmy instances. But anyone can host their own ATProto relays and the Bluesky relay will federate with each other automatically.

    If everyone migrates to bluesky and then bluesky says “of we’re not doing that open thing anymore because of this new embiggened thing we’re doing” everyone will still be on bluesky.

    Not necessarily because the accounts are atProto accounts and you can migrate to another platform(albeit another doesn’t exist yet) without data loss. As far as the Bluesky app goes it really just shows you atProto posts and hosts your data (similar to Lemmy instances) they as an entity just also maintain the OSS backend Relay crawler and more.

    I really think a lot of people have this perspective that it’s not decentralized just because it truly is a lot more complicated due to there being like 5 different moving pieces of decentralization (PDS, Relay, Appview, tbd labeler, algorithm) and they do a great job at obscuring it for regular users which is a great thing. And nobody has really tinkered around and set-up any sites or integrations with it yet. I’m personally trying to get a two way mastodon integration as it’s possible but nobody has done a solid implementation (just somewhat gnarly bridges between protocols)


  • Sl00ktoTechnology@lemmy.worldX's idiocy is doing wonders for Bluesky.
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    This isn’t necessarily true. Just because their architecture is harder and not a simple server host does not strip away its decentralization.

    They have decentralized the following:

    • App access (can build your own or show openProto posts in your platform

    • Algorithms

    • Relay (backend albeit rumored to be expensive)

    • More if you consider the domain name hosting stuff and media storage control. Also moderation is planned to be decentralized.




















  • Like a apple TV / Roku which then… Reports everything you’re watching and or viewing. We truly live in the day and age where nothing you do digitally is private, and it’s almost turned into privacy via aggregation imo now since the PBs of raw data isn’t really worth it for major corporations.

    Obvs if you’re the .0001% I’m sure the NSA can tap into it and you’re still gonna be fucked that way, but that can be said for pretty much any digital device.


  • Sl00ktoFediverse memes@feddit.ukBluesky's fedi-washing
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    25 days ago

    And to give my potential hot take, but I think what Bluesky and the AT protocol does should be called crawling instead of federating

    Yeah I definitely wouldn’t argue against it, throwing my hot take out, I would say we should call all of these platforms decentralized social media instead of tying everything to federated social media, and keep everything under the same umbrella. But obviously crypto has somewhat degraded the word decentralized 😅.


  • Sl00ktoFediverse memes@feddit.ukBluesky's fedi-washing
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    25 days ago

    Fediverse admins pay fees for their instances.

    Yes but they have communities within their instance. With ATProto everything is published to the protocol so there’s no inherent internal community, the instance is just the infrastructure at that point, not a community.

    Also in terms of expense I’ve seen it’s around $250 / month which equivalent to larger Lemmy instances, I think programming dev was around this price point so it’s not absurdly large. But it is at the point of why run this if I’m just hosting infrastructure and not creating a community.

    I have been reading that some people are working on subdomain @'s (equivalent to Lemmy username@domain) within ATProto, which leads to more community interaction, but I think that’s still handled under the Domain federation not the PDS / Relay federation.


  • Sl00ktoFediverse memes@feddit.ukBluesky's fedi-washing
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    The fact that there is still to this date no alternative Bluesky server

    This is true, but why would someone go out of their way to do this when all data ends up in the same firehose?

    Three circumstances:

    • Domain name federation: Currently live and implemented across the site, in fact I’ve done this.

    • PDS (personal data) federation: You would ideally only host your own PDS to host your own data.

    • Backup: You want to host a backup of all Firehose data for access by others (very valid case, but you’re paying to just host data that’s already available)

    Any other circumstance it’s going to cost the host money for effectively no usecase. Sure people can do it but why would the host pay hosting fees? If Bluesky went down a path of introducing advertisements or became a pile of shit then there’s true incentive to host your own independent PDS/Relay/App View. I generally think people just aren’t understanding federation across Bluesky because it truly is a lot more complicated complicated than ActivityPub (some pros / some cons).