Well again, the proper use of the term should not be the implication that libertarian is implied right or left. It’s the axis on which we balance liberties. Both left libertarians and right libertarians want maximal liberty, but they disagree how those liberties are obtained. They both want a minimal government, but a minimal government best ensures liberty how? Both of their relations to anarchy are on the axis of the discussion of the word “maximal/minimal”. Minimum government manifests itself how? Maximal liberty manifests itself how?

The words greatest use is there. Not a political pin to be reclaimed by either side.

Well I’m fundamentally against language protectionism, basically saying a word used to mean x and it should always mean x. Words should have utility more than history. But I think the struggle you’re having is real.

I’ve frequently said the left needs new words, if not primarily for the reason that all the old words have the baggage of failure from a century ago. But they should also engage in new ideas, hopefully not just new words.

Left libertarianism is not engaged with because it’s often just used as a synonym for left anarchism, whereas right libertarianism is not synonymous with right anarchism. If it doesn’t have a distinct philosophy, they feel you are tricking them, then they are right to just take all the problems with left anarchism and associate them. And IMO all anarchism is equally discredited. As someone who used to be left anarchist.

Which is funny because to me it’s very clear liberal philosophy is leftist. Rawls being more modern liberal is basically distributionist. Classically Rousseau and even Smith were definitely not neoliberal.

I think the right hijacked liberal just like they did with libertarian, but in this case they did it wrong. The left needs liberalism or else they go the way of Stalin and Mao, they need core principles that they don’t sway from even for revolutionary ends such as justice, rule of law, freedom of speech, etc. The Marxist immoralism gave them far too much freedom to be opportunists in their principles basing them literally on material conditions rather than principles like rights and freedoms. As I often say, what revolution is worth anything without principles? If it was just scientific necessity, who would care to do the work?

I actually think the newer meanings is more accurate. Libertarian is now distinguished from anarchism by the presence of a limited government. That’s a necessary distinction. But what should that government do? Right libertarians say defend property rights, Left libertarians would say things like organize production.

Damn that’s so real… fuck that. I have a hard time remembering sometimes how bad it was.

The problem is that the economy slowing down is the consequence of their bad budgeting. We can’t get out of the deficit without consequences.

However, the American consumer ultimately is a market for things, so whether or not that market is expensive or cheap, it’s worth being in the market.

The USA also controls its currency and its border. We can tax in ways that no other country can. We can just say, no, you can’t take your USA currency to overseas banks as a us citizen. And if you sell it to buy gold or something, that’s capital gains.

Very cool

From a class perspective the rich are those who hire labor rather than laboring themselves. But we could start with billionaires.

We don’t have it. We don’t have anything.

Why do a general strike if not to overthrow the normal non-working system and do something we can’t otherwise do. Like force an impeachment and an immediate election.

The reality is a general strike is unlikely to happen.

But if it does happen it happens with some organization.

Someone will gain popularity.

They can win an election with such an organized base.

They can then do what Trump is doing but x10 in the other direction.

But there’s always the better option that the general strike leads to some kind of mass conflict and Trump and his cronies get simply removed via coup.

But I mean, ideally, the GOP and anyone associated with the party would all rot in jail like the Germans did with Nazis. Hopefully with some Dems next door.

Well as I said in another post, all of the government needs to be investigated for financial corruption. R’s and D’s. We are literally no better having Trump than anyone in the R’s because the party as an apparatus as well as a cultural institution has sold out to both capital and fascist foreign powers. But that doesn’t mean we need a Dem, unless it’s a non establishment Dem.

Ideally the new President would be a worker president coming from the general strike.

I know I really think we need to unify on the fact you literally don’t need to be even socialist to realize we need to eat the rich in America.

After that we can argue over what next

No one in the American fascist party (GOP) is an acceptable alternative to Trump.

Almost everyone in office today is a serious criminal, usually for financial crimes. Bribery and insider trading. We really just need to get the FBI to stop being controlled by the president and scared to prosecute sitting reps.

Unfortunately with my last post, a real general strike needs like a 2 word rallying cry, or a vanguard party which is dangerous. Those are just my ideas.

Sure but it’d have to be with replacement.

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Demolish the senate as undemocratic, and empty the Supreme Court. Somehow end gerrymandering in the house. Federally fund elections and re-establish bribery as one of the worst felonies in our government. Put election of all positions directly in the hands of the popular vote. Allow any person in any position to be replaced at any time with referendum. Appoint a special department beyond any judicial, federal, or state authority with the sole purpose of investigating and prosecuting active representatives for unconstitutional activities. Arrest representatives for the very appearance of misconduct, frequently and constantly.

And I guess end advertising and corporate ownership in journalism so we can get actual news again.

Rank choice voting to end party dominance.

Sorry the USA basically needs to be replaced for anything to get better