Yeah, and I’m the troll.

At least your username is accurate.

Found the Godot cultist. Take a deep breath. Having a parasocial relationship with a game engine isn’t healthy.

absolutely is relevant, you disingenuous troll.

I meant irrelevant to the choice of an engine for a beginner. Why do you say I’m disingenuous?

I understand how Python modules work just fine, you install a module with Pip, and

You don’t understand what Python modules are. There’s no need to get so defensive about that. Nobody is born knowing everything, and there’s no shame in learning.

A pip package is not a Python module. Pip is just one tool for managing module dependencies (there are others). A module in Python is anything you can import, such as another python script, a folder with python scripts, or a native library. There’s no need to use pip to make and ship a game in pygame. You probably used it to install pygame, because that’s the common way tutorials tell you to get it, but it’s not the only way, and it’s certainly not the way you’d ship the game to end users.

Python also has a well-deserved reputation as a fast and performant language even running on old and limited systems…oh wait no it’s a sow in treacle. The more you implement in Python the slower it’s going to run.

This is nonsense. You don’t know anything about software optimization. I can guarantee you that I’ve written pure Python that’s more performant than anything you’ve written in C# or whatever you think is a “fast language”.

And in case you were unaware, GDScript is slower than Python. It’s not a fair comparison because Python has a ton of interpreters to choose from, even ahead-of-time compilers that rival C/C++ performance. By comparison, GDScript has just the one interpreter built into Godot, which is never going to compete with even the CPython interpreter (the one you’re probably using) in terms of performance, simply due to the amount of people and orgs investing in it.

Can you name a commercial game that is implemented in Python, using modules like Pygame? I can’t.

Idk pygame in particular, but there are a ton of commercial games made with Ren’Py. Search “visual novel” on Steam, and like 90% are probably made in Ren’Py.

I don’t do game dev in Python so I’m not familiar with what’s popular nowadays, but there definitely are people making games with Python.

if you’re going to start gluing applications like Tiled and such together, you might as well go with something like Godot because that’s basically what you’re janking together.

“Gluing” applications together is called game development. Do you create your 3D models in Godot? Your materials and textures? Your story and design docs? Your music and sound effects?

There are entire departments at game studios whose job is to build and maintain data pipelines between content creation tools and the engine, even for studios using Unity or Unreal. There are a ton of free/commercial tools out there serving the game industry (from AAA to indie), and the way to make the best game is to use the best tools.

I did call Godot lighter than Unity or Unreal, which I believe to be factually accurate. I have run Godot on a 2014 era laptop, it runs well on a system of that vintage.

None of that is relevant. By that metric, Pygame/Love2D are objectively the better choice over Godot, as they’re smaller and lighter.

I have been working on games (and many engines) for over 15 years. I know what Godot is, and what it isn’t. It’s the best choice for certain team compositions and certain game types, but it isn’t good at everything. In fact, it’s quite bad for very large and complex productions because of architectural issues (but that’s irrelevant for 99% of its users)

It’s also not good for beginners for many reasons. The first is that it’s complex, as it aims to be a full featured professional tool. The second is that it’s weird, and does things differently from the rest of the industry. Its inheritance-based node structure was considered obsolete in the 2000s by the rest of the industry, yet Godot still uses it. They’ve hybridized it to introduce composition, which salvages it somewhat, but it still is a bad design with well-known pitfalls.

GDScript is a shitty attempt to copy Python, and it lacks a lot of what a modern programming language has. It also is integrated into the editor in odd ways, like the Qt-esque “signals and slots” system (which is controversial even in Qt). It’s designed around OOP, yet it blurs the lines between whar an object is and what a module is, which is extremely odd.

I’m not trying to shit on Godot. Like I said, it has its strengths, and for certain types of games and team compositions it is the perfect choice. But it should NOT be recommended to beginners.

…IMO

I’d hate to try making a Zelda-like game in something like Pygame.

I gather that you’re struggling to understand how Python modules work, based on how you explained Pygame. You are not supposed to write your whole game in a single python file.

Also, you can make use of tools like Tiled, Ogmo, etc to create levels and load them in Pygame or Love2D. You can even embed scripts or data onto entities within those level editors. You could even use Blender if you wanted to, either by writing a custom exporter (in Python), or hijacking one of the existing ones.

You can go very far without a full IDE like Godot has, especially if you’re creative.

“Lightweight” and “small” isn’t the same as simple. People seriously gotta stop recommending godot to beginners. It’s good as a general engine, but a lot to take in for a beginner.

Pygame is a great choice. I would add Love2D as a similar alternative if you don’t jive with Python.

Off topic but Godot has a serious cult problem. Say anything that could possibly be interpreted as negative about it, and you’re going to get someone writing a very emotional response. It’s pretty much at the Apple fan boy level, which is bad but mostly weird.

Found the incel

Tbh the threat of being labeled a gooner might do more to prevent misogyny than anything else

Why so negative? I’m too lazy to read the article, but are you commenting on actual lesson plans, or on what you assume the classes will be like? It doesn’t seem like a stretch to me that this could work for some kids, especially for those whose behavior is the result of exposure to porn at too young an age.

gotem

All of the inadequacies and personal failures that prevented you from doing what GenAI does for you now are still there. Those things are why you were a failure before AI, and why you will be a failure after AI. The quicker you recognize that, the less time you’ll spend being an obnoxious asshole and making a fool of yourself by larping as the artist you’ve always fantisized of being. You were nothing before, you are nothing now. Get over yourself, otherwise you will continue to be nothing until the day you die. Once you truly understand this, maybe you’ll be able to fix it. Not before.

VS Codium uses open vsx, which is the extension registry built and run by the Eclipse team. Whatever extensions you’re using will also work on Theia.

That’s just AI marketing bandwagon crap, probably fishing for funding. The editor has been around for a few years, and it had nothing to do with AI until very recently.

Nit picking: why use VSCodium? It’s better to use Eclipse Theia instead, which is built from scratch and runs its own extension repository.

…and for the old timers: NO! Eclipse Theia is NOT the Eclipse you’re thinking of

I’m curious how you ended up on CentOS, especially for a desktop/laptop? That distro effectively died when IBM bought Red Hat, but even before that it was afaik mostly used for server deployments due to RHEL compatibility.

This article is AI slop

Linux/Sublime Text/Konsole

I’m a full time senior dev using the shit out of LLM’s, to get things done at a neck breaking speed

I’m not saying you’re full of crap, but I smell a lot of crap. Who talks like this unironically? This is like hearing someone call somebody else a “rockstar” or “ninja”.

If you really are breaking necks with how fast you’re coding, surely you must have used this newfound ability to finally work on those side projects everyone has been meaning to work. Those wouldn’t be covered under NDA.

Edit: just to be clear, I’m not anti-LLMs. I’ve used them myself in a few different forms, and although I didn’t find them useful for my work, I can see how they could be helpful for certain types of work. I definitely don’t see them replacing human engineers.

I don’t know you, but I’ll give you an example of someone I do know

• Didn’t give a crap about computers throughout highschool. Didn’t really know what he wanted to do in general

• Picks computer science last minute because it supposedly makes a lot of money

• Cruised through shitty community college doing the bare minimum, no side projects or any sign he’s even interested

• At graduation time, he barely knows how to code. Has a github profile with some homework assignments he was forced to do

• Is part of the job market now, competing against you and me.

I don’t know if he’s employed as a software engineer right now, but I’ve worked with people who obviously fit the same profile. People who expect real work to be as simple as submitting a homework assignment last minute using shit you copy pasted from SO (or I guess ChatGPT now), and then fucking off to enjoy life while your coworkers are burdened by your incompetence.

This is a field where actually giving a shit is a requirement.

I have no sympathy for this. Especially as a dev, he should know better.

Well, that’s because they removed it after WW2. The original IBM keyboard had this, and other Nazi symbolism. (IBM collaborated with the Nazis, if you weren’t aware)

Another fun fact: the Windows logo today is where the swastika used to be. If you look closely, you can see how the swastika’s influence on Microsoft’s iconic logo persists to this very day

Fun fact: that’s why most computer programming languages use “!=” instead of “≠”