But then you are just training and generating music with AI… (Acoustic Instruments)

The best definition of Art that I have heard is “an object/piece that makes one feel things”

However, AI slop makes many people feel anger, so I don’t know if that definition can really fit or not. Probably not.

There is art, such as music, that has the intent of of making people angry or frustrated too. So, it is a grey area and as you said, very messy.

That’s a good point, it would be fraud, but art is very interpretive.

It reminds me of that Banksy painting that he put a shredder in the frame and it was put on auction. When the painting sold for $1.4 million, the painting proceeded to shred.

I don’t know if that Banksy painting would be considered fraud or not, but he definitely made a statement.

I don’t recall the term CGI slop during my college days of game and graphic design, but I do recall people hating movies with CGI in them. Then as they became better, that rhetoric faded for a few years, but then it came back with AI slop.

Humans can create slop in all aspects of life too. If we didn’t, we would probably be living in a utopia. The problem now is that we create slop faster than ever, because it is like a get rich quick scam.

I treat AI as a tool, rather than a crutch. With the millions of people that are using AI for everything though, using it as a crutch is, unfortunately, far more common.

I think you’re mostly right about how AI works, but I think some of the conclusions go a bit further than what the mechanics alone really show.

Yes, AI is an algorithm and it’s statistical. It learns patterns and maps inputs to outputs. I don’t really disagree with that part. Where I start to disagree is the idea that this automatically means the output can’t be novel or meaningful. A human brain is also a physical system processing information according to rules. Saying AI is “just an algorithm” only really works as a dismissal if humans aren’t doing something similar, which I’m not convinced is true.

The Excel average comparison also feels a little off to me. Averaging collapses information. Generative models don’t really do that. They explore and recombine patterns across a large possibility space, which feels a lot closer to how people learn and create than how a spreadsheet works. It’s true you could replicate an AI with enough paper and time, but the same thing applies to any finite physical system, including a human brain. That feels more like computability than about creativity or authorship. Another point I do agree with is how AI is used matters a lot. If someone is mostly prompting and picking outputs, that’s closer to curation than creation. But that isn’t really unique to AI. We’ve had similar debates with photography, sampling, filters, and procedural art. Art has never just been about manual effort anyway, it’s more about intent and judgment.

So I think what we aren’t lining up on is less about what AI is, and (as some others have noted here) is more about where we draw the line for authorship and responsibility in how it’s actually used. I do appreciate your perspective on it, and it’s definitely a very grey philosophical to discuss.

I do openly disclose my use of AI and I have no intention on selling them.

While anyone can bash on some keys, it is becoming more difficult to even prove something wasn’t created by AI.

So, that spurs another question; If someone made it a goal to generate something fake and fool everyone that they create, while the artwork was generated and is not their own, the intention was to fool everyone to make a statement… would the deception be a form of art?

That gif is one of my favorites to use lol

Lamarck philosophy, maybe?

Llama + rock + thinking of a pillar typically used with philosophy.

"I don’t like that rock.

It’s pissing me off."

I replied, but I realized I didn’t answer your question. Yes, it can be crispy.

Depends on the how many slices, wattage of the microwave, and how long it is put in for.

8-10 slices on high for 7-8 minutes, they will come out looking like #2 or #3. Then letting them cool uncovered on the counter, they’ll finish cooking themselves from the radiant heat to between #3 or #4.

Once you figure out the general timing for your microwave, then you can get the perfect bacon that you like.

There is also the suggestion from the other reply you got. I never had one of those trays, but for people that I have known that have it, it can work pretty well too. My only issue with them is that it’s a single purpose kitchen tool, unlike a plate that can be used for many things besides bacon. Anyway, I’m rambling.

Using the microwave is a lot quicker, but two or three sheets of paper towels on a large plate, then the bacon on top of that with a single sheet on top of the bacon will usually keep the grease localized to the plate and makes for easy cleanup.

I always found the fine tuning argument silly.

It’s like saying a hole was designed for the water the happened to settle in it after a rainstorm. “The water fits perfectly in the hole, so therefore the hole was fine tuned for that puddle of water.”

While my anecdotal story won’t mean much in the sea of Internet comments, i look at it from a societal point of view; when I graduated college, I came out with $100k in debt, no job, and no way to make ends meet. I did work hard through jobs and through as many clever ways to move the debt around as much as possible. Eventually, after many years, they were paid off. Student loans are a curse cast by the greedy predatory schools and lenders that make empty promises.

Who am I to get upset when someone figures out a way, or stumbles into a way to release them from that curse? In the long run, the sooner loans are paid off/forgiven, the sooner it will help everyone else.

The most important asset to any country is it’s people, so why wouldn’t we want to take care of each other in every way possible? We all live on the same rock together, so why not try to make life less painful for everyone.

Will people take advantage of it? Of course. There is no way to prevent that, but if resources are provided or made easier to access, then it makes it less likely for people to take advantage of it.

Do I think that will ever happen? Probably not, it’s a utopian ideal and it would take such a major paradigm shift to get people to have empathy for others and to help lift each other up during rough times. I still think it’s something to strive for, even if we only achieve a fraction of that utopia.

Spiral/circle patterns are more efficient for push mowers in terms of effort, speed, and continuity.