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  • tylertoBoycottUnitedStates@europe.pub•Trump's Military Birthday Parade Was a Gross Failure
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    17 hours ago

    I don’t really see the correlation here. The article doesn’t make any of the claims you do, nor does Aeao. The article just makes some vague claims and Aeao has about 15 logical fallacies in just as many comments. This has nothing to do with whether or not the parade was actually a failure and everything to do with the fact that just making shit up and claiming anecdotal evidence is evidence means you are no better than the conservatives you’re trying to make look bad. In fact it weakens your position a ton.

    To make this clear I am not saying trumps parade was good nor bad, because unlike other commenters here I wait until I have actual evidence to make claims. I do not give one shit whether his parade was good or bad in this conversation because that’s not the discussion here. The discussion is about whether you can make a claim like “I didn’t watch this, you didn’t watch this, I don’t know anyone that did watch it, so it’s a failure”, which is an absolutely ridiculous argument to make, which is why I used Aeao’s own Macy’s day parade example against them. It shows how ridiculous of an argument it is.

    Aeao is busy now asking me to provide what I think failure is, which is directly out of the fascist and conservative playbook of flipping the conversation around. I’m not the one claiming it was a failure. We don’t even know what the actual numbers are, how are we even supposed to define failure? You seem to be defining it by how much the orange turd is bragging on the internet. Lembot 0003 seems to be defining it based on how ordinary it was. Aeao is defining it based on whether they watched it or not, which is clearly anecdotal and much less based in fact than anything else provided here. That’s my point.

    Edit: just to make one more point: Aeao was making a claim. Their claim is not supported by the linked article with facts or figures or even pictures. I block all trump and musk keywords on lemmy, so I’m not going to see anything else you are considering to be “failure” in regards to other posts being at the top. It’s not my job to go find that info. I’m not the one making the claim it’s a failure. Either rolling stone needs to provide it (which would be good journalism) or Aeao needs to provide it, which clearly they can’t do because those figures don’t exist yet and all they seem to want to do is argue with anecdotal evidence.

  • tylertoBoycottUnitedStates@europe.pub•Trump's Military Birthday Parade Was a Gross Failure
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    1 day ago

    You (and apparently 11 others) have completely misread my comment. I explicitly said "That doesn’t mean that the Macy’s day parade is a failure. Macy’s Day Parade is clearly absolutely a success. And guess what, there’s metrics to back it up. My point is that just because I do not watch it doesn’t mean that it’s not a success. There are zero metrics provided by Aeao nor by the article to substantiate any sort of conclusion about trump’s parade one way or the other. Until those statistics come out, anything anyone says about the failure or success of the event is just spreading misinformation.

  • tylertoBoycottUnitedStates@europe.pub•Trump's Military Birthday Parade Was a Gross Failure
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    1 day ago

    You’re the one not providing figures and saying it’s a failure dude. It’s not my job to define failure, you’re the one making the claim. Not to pull out logical fallacies but this is the biggest case of “burden of proof” I’ve ever seen. I don’t really give a shit how many people went to the parade, it’s a huge waste of money and a joke no matter what.

    You are the one making crazy claims without proof. Either wait for the proof or don’t be mad when others point out that you have no proof. I’m just helping out the poor other soul that pointed out your ridiculous claims that serve only to make democrats and people supporting the protests look bad. You know how they make us look bad? Because what happens when someone shows up and says “the no kings day protests were a huge failure” and you provide the nice stats that are already available showing it’s a success, and then that same person says “the birthday parade was a huge success” and you have zero facts to back that up! You literally only make it look like you’re incapable of being unbiased.

  • tylertoPolitical Memes@lemmy.world•🇮🇱🇮🇷🇵🇸🇾🇪🇸🇾🇱🇧
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    1 day ago

    You seem to have terrible writing skills, so pardon my reading comprehension. You literally wrote:

    How? Tell me how exactly that looks in practice? Do we bomb both of them to stop them? Do we ask them nicely? They are sovereign nations, this is in their power to do and I do not think we have a right to stop them.

    Which seems to imply that there is nothing we can do. Please explain how you stated anything implying that we should stop funding them.

  • tylertoBoycottUnitedStates@europe.pub•Trump's Military Birthday Parade Was a Gross Failure
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    1 day ago

    You are completely missing the point. I explicitly said “That doesn’t mean that the Macy’s day parade is a failure” in response to “most Americans” not watching something. Even 50 million Americans watching an event is not “most Americans”, even 150 million isn’t “most Americans”. What Aeao said is clearly not a correct way to measure the success of something, which you have demonstrated (and which I said in my original comment). Macy’s day parade isn’t a failure even though most Americans don’t watch it nor think of it. So why is that standard being applied to this parade, which we don’t even have numbers for.

    You can’t even make the claim for this parade because there aren’t any numbers. And Aeao saying things like “I didn’t watch, did you?” To imply that it wasn’t successful is just disingenuous.

    Since someone probably thinks I’m defending this fucking parade, I have to explicitly explain this. Imagine a trumper comes up to you and says “the no kings day protests were a failure, hardly anyone showed up”, how are you going to prove them wrong? Pictures, videos? Statistics of the actual numbers of people that participated? Ok, now what happens when a trumper says to you, “trumps birthday celebration was a massive success”. What are you going to do then? Where are the photos and videos (they sure aren’t in this post, nor in the article this post is about). Where are the numbers? The article only calls out that they expected 250k. It provides no other numbers.

    Saying “I didn’t watch it, so this is a failure” is the exact same thing as me saying “I didn’t watch the Macy’s day parade so it is a failure. It’s an idiotic conclusion using anecdotal evidence that does nothing to prove anything. All it does is make the person making the claim look like they don’t care about facts and simply make up conclusions based on no evidence.

  • tylertoBoycottUnitedStates@europe.pub•Trump's Military Birthday Parade Was a Gross Failure
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    1 day ago

    23 million people watch it last year

    I sure as hell don’t think that most Americans watch it.

    Hey look, what I said was accurate.

    Thus making the Macy’s parade the most successful.

    That doesn’t mean that the Macy’s day parade is a failure

    Hey look! You proved my point a second time!

    Anecdotal evidence means nothing! The person I responded to said that they didn’t watch it and most people probably didn’t, that makes it a failure. Literally the source you provided (hey look, a source!) shows that most Americans not watching a parade doesn’t make it a failure, and that anecdotal evidence is the worst kind of evidence, in this case leading to a completely incorrect conclusion by Aeao.

  • tylertoBoycottUnitedStates@europe.pub•Trump's Military Birthday Parade Was a Gross Failure
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    1 day ago

    You do realize how this just doesn’t follow logically right? I don’t think I’ve ever once watched the Macy’s day parade ever. I sure as hell don’t think that most Americans watch it. That doesn’t mean that the Macy’s day parade is a failure. The person you’re talking to is asking for any sort of source. Only one person in this thread has even bothered to discuss this properly with that person. The truth of the matter is that you need factual numbers to discuss this. You can’t go off of feelings or Twitter replies or comments in overwhelmingly democratic communities. You need an actual source with factual numbers. Until there is something like that then it’s pointless discussing whether the parade was a failure or not.