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Cake day: August 15th, 2023

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  • well if you are a reliable source to yourself, I’d say:

    Men have more muscle mass than women so they are stronger, particularly in the upper body

    And for the other other, the rougher mental, I don’t want to play mean or anything, but isn’t the burden of proof more on your side? Yes it is certainly possible society molds certain characteristics of men, but that doesn’t necessarily mean this particularly trait is - the rougher mental. Don’t you agree, right now, in western society, men are less likely to admit their pain?



  • This is the biggest problem. “Intuitive observation” means the evidence is anecdotal,…

    I agree, I just wanted to point out that I felt like you shrugged away the example as if there is not even an intuitively observed phenomenon.

    BUT back to the point. I may not have proof that women are more sociable, but it’s damn plausible from a evolutionary perspective, women care for children -> thus more sociable inclined to children. So what is your response to this and the trait of physical strength of men? These are pretty obvious no? Do you acknowledge this difference to be more pronounced between genders than within one gender?


  • I’m a woman. I’m more likely to be harmed by a strange man than I am a woman. It’s the safer option for me.

    Fair. But still, even if they look just as muscular, men are still generally stronger. Or at least if you if you couldn’t judge it clearly because they have clothes on. Say you are solely interested in the one who is stronger, then you would still only choose the man, not the woman. Even if this scenario is niche, it’s still possible and this precisely points out the crux of the problem. So in this scenario, can this be called unequality or morally wrong or whatever we started off?

    EDIT: So arguments are prohibited in this sub? I just read that. What the hell.




  • what about physical strength and the inclination for socialization? These traits vary on both genders, but generally all men are physically strong, all women are physically weak(er); and generally all women have inclination for socialization, all men have less inclination for socialization.

    Other traits that largely vary within one gender, probably also largely vary between genders, so these cancel out.

    I might be wrong about this last point though, but to just shrug this off as if this is taken completely out of the blue and rarely intuitively observed in day-to-day life, is not fair.


  • you do have a point in the sense that if we live in a utopia, I think there is good reason to think that it shouldn’t matter what choices people make, they all get the same ‘reward’/financial outcome/etc.

    You said:

    If the world has the resources to allow it, then why should one person be punished for chasing their joy while another is rewarded?

    Yes okay, but what if there are limited resources? Or a world that needs improvement? Isn’t it then better to incentivize people to work hard to make our world of limited resources a world of abundance? If yes, then it means to give those a higher reward at the expense of those who made “other choices”.

    Are we now living in a world of limited resources / that needs improvement? If yes, then it would probably be justified to take from those who made “other choices”


  • why don’t you give the idea some serious thought instead of weaseling your way out? To guide you more: Your only options are between a man and a woman who look equally muscular and you don’t have a lot of time to ask around. It’s noisy and you can only ask either one at a time, who do you ask? I’m OBVIOUSLY talking about those scenarios (even if rare…) where the relevant bit comes into play