“vulnerable women reliant on single-sex spaces” deserve help, and safe spaces, but that does not require abusing other vulnerable people. Casting all LGBTQ+ folks as potential predators is not okay.
Maybe, we could all install some privacy effective bathroom stall doors and all feel safer while we poop.
And let’s legally mandate them. Folks installing an entire new business facility can afford a more expensive door. We don’t have to keep sucking at this.
I was at a relatively large chain bar this weekend and that’s how it was - one long normal halfway for the bathrooms with rows of normal doors on each side for “stalls”. They also used those toilets that have the sink in the top.
It was AWESOME, especially as a lady in a bar setting. Felt much more public and protected in the ways that matter (well lit shared hallway with lots of visibility and traffic) and private and secure in the ways that mattered. Especially with the sink and mirror also in the room, it was so nice to take a second to freshen up without trying to get out of there ASAP or worrying about dealing with some belligerent drunk wandering into the wrong bathroom on accident (BTW, much larger issue than “fake” trans women).
Loved it. 10/10 no notes. Everyone should do this.
Edit to add - it was also really nice from a disability standpoint, I think! Partner recently injured himself in an awkward manner, and it was MUCH less awkward helping him get situated in that setup - there was just the one shared handicap stall and it was right at the front, and no one batted an eye at me helping him all the way to it. No awkward walk past the urinals, haha.
On that note I also think that would be a killer setup with kids - no taking your “slightly-too-young-to-be-alone daughter” into the men’s room, no following her into the women’s room, and vice-versa. Good stuff.
On that note I also think that would be a killer setup with kids - no taking your “slightly-too-young-to-be-alone daughter” into the men’s room, no following her into the women’s room, and vice-versa. Good stuff.
Yep. It’s great! So much of a good accessible design makes everyone better off. I hope we see a lot more of this.
Worked well enough in Battlestar Glactica. Saves space and construction cost too compared to having two entirely separate rooms, or alternatively allowed for more toilets in the same space.
but you see, only one group can be vulnerable at a time, and this time it’s women, so trans people have to be the ones we exclude and accuse of being the oppressors this time around, sorry
Also Rowling’s argument is intrinsically conservative. “We fought hard for these rights. Giving these same rights to others erodes them”
Its literally viewing treating people as equals as a zero sum game. It’s viewing liberty not as the freedom to live without interference from outside forces, but instead as existing in a privileged position over others
A while back I realised how this component works in many (all?) conservative mindsets and it really changed how I understood the difference between me and people who are conservative — they really do feel that others can’t gain without someone else losing.
“vulnerable women reliant on single-sex spaces” deserve help, and safe spaces, but that does not require abusing other vulnerable people. Casting all LGBTQ+ folks as potential predators is not okay.
Maybe, we could all install some privacy effective bathroom stall doors and all feel safer while we poop.
And let’s legally mandate them. Folks installing an entire new business facility can afford a more expensive door. We don’t have to keep sucking at this.
We should probably just get rid of the whole concept of gendered bathrooms. Just have stalls that offer privacy to everyone and you’re good.
I was at a relatively large chain bar this weekend and that’s how it was - one long normal halfway for the bathrooms with rows of normal doors on each side for “stalls”. They also used those toilets that have the sink in the top.
It was AWESOME, especially as a lady in a bar setting. Felt much more public and protected in the ways that matter (well lit shared hallway with lots of visibility and traffic) and private and secure in the ways that mattered. Especially with the sink and mirror also in the room, it was so nice to take a second to freshen up without trying to get out of there ASAP or worrying about dealing with some belligerent drunk wandering into the wrong bathroom on accident (BTW, much larger issue than “fake” trans women).
Loved it. 10/10 no notes. Everyone should do this.
Edit to add - it was also really nice from a disability standpoint, I think! Partner recently injured himself in an awkward manner, and it was MUCH less awkward helping him get situated in that setup - there was just the one shared handicap stall and it was right at the front, and no one batted an eye at me helping him all the way to it. No awkward walk past the urinals, haha.
On that note I also think that would be a killer setup with kids - no taking your “slightly-too-young-to-be-alone daughter” into the men’s room, no following her into the women’s room, and vice-versa. Good stuff.
Yep. It’s great! So much of a good accessible design makes everyone better off. I hope we see a lot more of this.
Worked well enough in Battlestar Glactica. Saves space and construction cost too compared to having two entirely separate rooms, or alternatively allowed for more toilets in the same space.
but you see, only one group can be vulnerable at a time, and this time it’s women, so trans people have to be the ones we exclude and accuse of being the oppressors this time around, sorry
Also Rowling’s argument is intrinsically conservative. “We fought hard for these rights. Giving these same rights to others erodes them”
Its literally viewing treating people as equals as a zero sum game. It’s viewing liberty not as the freedom to live without interference from outside forces, but instead as existing in a privileged position over others
A while back I realised how this component works in many (all?) conservative mindsets and it really changed how I understood the difference between me and people who are conservative — they really do feel that others can’t gain without someone else losing.