The fundamental problem with expulsion is that it changes the persecution narrative from being complete bullshit, to being arguable.
Hungarians need to sort Orban out, the exact same as the French with their fascists, and Germany, and Italy, and…need I go on?
There is no good play here, but it requires all Europeans to remember that we beat them before, and we sure as fuck will beat them again as long as people get involved.
They need some form of reciprocity: if you restrict these and these laws, we will restrict this and this influence in the block until you go back. e.g. you end independent media? We block you from owning any media in EU. You open the doors to visa-free russian citizens, lose access to Schengen. You take giant loans from China? Lose access to cohesion funds. You jerrymander your elections to the extreme? No votes in EU parliament/council for you…but proportional and reversible to provide an incentive to go back to normal at least a bit…obviously IANAL
PS: I mean, look at Ukraine: “you block our military aid? We block your gas.”
Oh absolutely. I’m not saying that they should be allowed to do whatever and face no repercussions, just that the more severe they are, the more they can be weaponised by populists.
The thing is though that no matter what the EU does populists will weaponise it, and very often it doesn’t even have to have anything but the most tenuous of connections to reality. All the small “sanctions” against Hungary (mainly temporarily withholding funds) have already been painted by Orbán as unjustified attacks.
The persecution narrative is there, and while yes expulsion might play into it, just about literally everything else the EU could do to Hungary would also play into it – and even if we did let Orbán do what he wants, he’d still spin the same story about the evil EU keeping Hungary down because right wing extremists always need an external enemy.
Personally I think that freezing Hungary’s EU funding and political participation in the Parliament, Council and similar institutions might be for the best. Not an expulsion, but basically telling them that until they get their shit together they won’t get to benefit from Union money or influence its direction
There was an article I can’t find from a year or so ago where a few libertarians were arguing that Bexit instead of giving them more freedom, took away from it, because they realized that the EU tended to limited the power of national governments to go on populist rampages on the left or the right, because the EU institutions average and balance between interests. I think they are right and if the EU were to turns…uh…fascist…by then the well would already be poisoned in most countries anyway.
The fundamental problem with expulsion is that it changes the persecution narrative from being complete bullshit, to being arguable.
Hungarians need to sort Orban out, the exact same as the French with their fascists, and Germany, and Italy, and…need I go on?
There is no good play here, but it requires all Europeans to remember that we beat them before, and we sure as fuck will beat them again as long as people get involved.
They need some form of reciprocity: if you restrict these and these laws, we will restrict this and this influence in the block until you go back. e.g. you end independent media? We block you from owning any media in EU. You open the doors to visa-free russian citizens, lose access to Schengen. You take giant loans from China? Lose access to cohesion funds. You jerrymander your elections to the extreme? No votes in EU parliament/council for you…but proportional and reversible to provide an incentive to go back to normal at least a bit…obviously IANAL
PS: I mean, look at Ukraine: “you block our military aid? We block your gas.”
Oh absolutely. I’m not saying that they should be allowed to do whatever and face no repercussions, just that the more severe they are, the more they can be weaponised by populists.
The thing is though that no matter what the EU does populists will weaponise it, and very often it doesn’t even have to have anything but the most tenuous of connections to reality. All the small “sanctions” against Hungary (mainly temporarily withholding funds) have already been painted by Orbán as unjustified attacks.
The persecution narrative is there, and while yes expulsion might play into it, just about literally everything else the EU could do to Hungary would also play into it – and even if we did let Orbán do what he wants, he’d still spin the same story about the evil EU keeping Hungary down because right wing extremists always need an external enemy.
Personally I think that freezing Hungary’s EU funding and political participation in the Parliament, Council and similar institutions might be for the best. Not an expulsion, but basically telling them that until they get their shit together they won’t get to benefit from Union money or influence its direction
There was an article I can’t find from a year or so ago where a few libertarians were arguing that Bexit instead of giving them more freedom, took away from it, because they realized that the EU tended to limited the power of national governments to go on populist rampages on the left or the right, because the EU institutions average and balance between interests. I think they are right and if the EU were to turns…uh…fascist…by then the well would already be poisoned in most countries anyway.