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  • MajorHavoc
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    14 days ago

    Uh…“from scratch”? No thanks. I’m a big fan of GCC, and don’t intend to learn to code without it.

    • zirias (on snac)@snac.bsd.cafe
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      14 days ago

      I always had the idea in mind to one day code something in #C for the #C64. There’s #cc65 offering a decent compiler. I always ended up with using #assembler again. That’s because on that platform, it is the only way to have “full control”: The OS only offers a machine code ABI (jump to routines, pass stuff in registers) and misses lots of things, so you need to program the hardware directly. Of course, I still use an assembler instead of hacking the bytes of the machine code directly.

      Any Unix and similar OS comes with a C compiler, and even other systems offer a C API, so for a “modern” environment, that’s the natural language to use for that “full control”. And remember, C is your “portable assembler”. 😏

      In a nutshell, if you take “from scratch” literally, it would mean to somehow hack bytes into the machine’s memory. That doesn’t make much sense. I understand it as “use a simple programming language and avoid these huge frameworks and similar doing deep magical stuff for you”.

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          13 days ago

          Imagine not creating your own universe and going through nucleosysnthesis to create your own silicon. People these days have no sense of craft…