While I wouldn’t oppose the idea of a pre-installed music player, I believe Rhythmbox was never a core application. I hope they won’t make a music player a core app because you cannot uninstall them because of dependencies. Also the first impression is the distro’s concern not GNOME’s. I support modularism instead of making softwares bundle in a bundle. For example, I should be able to use whatever file manager without worrying about the whole DE bloat. For GNOME, they are in too deep for dependencies, as for KDE.
I appreciate GNOME’s work for simplicity, but I don’t appreciate their dependency hell.
Rhythmbox was originally a GNOME 2 app that never fully made it into the GNOME 3 era. Otoh, “core apps” is a concept introduced some time after GNOME 3.0. That timeline can’t match up.
The original GNOME 3/4 core music player was/is GNOME Music. Except GNOME Music was so reduced as to be barely useful, especially at the beginning. Creating an opening for e.g. Lollypop.
Also the first impression is the distro’s concern not GNOME’s.
Before core apps were introduced thereight be distros that would randomly ship GNOME with VLC, FileZilla, and xterm. I.e. apps that don’t integrate well with GNOME and are not regularly used by average users.
The idea behind core apps was trying to influence app selection on such distros. To make sure that all distros would ship with a default selection of useful, well-integrated apps. Iow, first impression is a major reason why core apps are even a thing.
For example, I should be able to use whatever file manager without worrying about the whole DE bloat
I don’t think I worried about “DE bloat” any time in the past ten years. Might be different if I was using Raspi desktop. :)
I know it’s relatively a recent concept but they can always say “these are our apps and they are well integrated in our DE” instead of making them inseparable part of the DE. They probably want to reach a standard like MacOS, and that’s not a bad thing but that restricts the developers.
I always preferred GTK over Qt and I still do, however I can understand the developers who want to use another framework.
While the intention is respectable, there are still Qt apps with no GTK equivalent or vice versa. If you need those, you still cannot go pure GTK or pure Qt. It’s a dream.
I don’t think I worried about “DE bloat” any time in the past ten years. Might be different if I was using Raspi desktop. :)
Well, I’m a happy WM user since 2014 as well (GNOME 2.32 was my last favourite DE on my main machine) but I still have to install KDE or GNOME bloat. Only thing I can do about that is using flatpaks for those programs but I prefer package manager. Flatpaks are heavy, slow updating and use more space.
While I wouldn’t oppose the idea of a pre-installed music player, I believe Rhythmbox was never a core application. I hope they won’t make a music player a core app because you cannot uninstall them because of dependencies. Also the first impression is the distro’s concern not GNOME’s. I support modularism instead of making softwares bundle in a bundle. For example, I should be able to use whatever file manager without worrying about the whole DE bloat. For GNOME, they are in too deep for dependencies, as for KDE.
I appreciate GNOME’s work for simplicity, but I don’t appreciate their dependency hell.
Rhythmbox was originally a GNOME 2 app that never fully made it into the GNOME 3 era. Otoh, “core apps” is a concept introduced some time after GNOME 3.0. That timeline can’t match up.
The original GNOME 3/4 core music player was/is GNOME Music. Except GNOME Music was so reduced as to be barely useful, especially at the beginning. Creating an opening for e.g. Lollypop.
Before core apps were introduced thereight be distros that would randomly ship GNOME with VLC, FileZilla, and xterm. I.e. apps that don’t integrate well with GNOME and are not regularly used by average users.
The idea behind core apps was trying to influence app selection on such distros. To make sure that all distros would ship with a default selection of useful, well-integrated apps. Iow, first impression is a major reason why core apps are even a thing.
I don’t think I worried about “DE bloat” any time in the past ten years. Might be different if I was using Raspi desktop. :)
I know it’s relatively a recent concept but they can always say “these are our apps and they are well integrated in our DE” instead of making them inseparable part of the DE. They probably want to reach a standard like MacOS, and that’s not a bad thing but that restricts the developers.
I always preferred GTK over Qt and I still do, however I can understand the developers who want to use another framework.
While the intention is respectable, there are still Qt apps with no GTK equivalent or vice versa. If you need those, you still cannot go pure GTK or pure Qt. It’s a dream.
Well, I’m a happy WM user since 2014 as well (GNOME 2.32 was my last favourite DE on my main machine) but I still have to install KDE or GNOME bloat. Only thing I can do about that is using flatpaks for those programs but I prefer package manager. Flatpaks are heavy, slow updating and use more space.