• towerful
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    4 days ago

    I’d love to believe it.
    I can’t find anything backing this up.
    The has become a wall of text. Sorry.


    1st half of this post is refuting “trump defined DEI”. I would live to be proved wrong on this, but it seems like something that happened during trump and was defined by Biden.
    2nd half is more positive.


    1st half…

    Mostly sourced from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion incase the commas fuck up formatting).

    I don’t know when DEI actually became the official term. Probably during the Biden administration .
    According to wiki, however, DEI has been around since the 60s, in principle.

    Executive Orders that first mention “equity” along side diversity and inclusion seems to be https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13583 an Obama EO.

    The best I can find relating to what you say is along the lines of this:
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-programs

    Basically, government bodies using their autonomy to enact DEI policies in response to #MeToo, #BlackLivesMatter, George Floyd, and lots of other public sentiment & unrest. However nothing official at the government level of “DEI”.
    Essentially, trump was asleep at the wheel with COVID and civil unrest, did fuck all (or encouraged civil unrest), and government bodies (which still had autonomy) enacted policies inline with the population.

    So, what constitutes DEI?
    What the right is defining it as? What it has been since the 60s? What Biden enacted? What the government bodies enacted during sleepy trump?


    The 2nd half:

    Being against DEI is like being against Antifa, or declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. It’s not really a thing.
    DEI is the awareness that previous centuries of discrimination no longer applies.
    DEI isn’t a tangible thing. It’s humanity.
    It didn’t happen during trump’s first term. But it did progress.
    It didn’t happen during Bidens term. But it did progress.
    That is humanity. Humanity progresses. Humanity is love, equality and freedom for all.


    And a bit more ideologically…

    Progress in the next 4 years is gonna be slow.
    But everyone has worked on this before. It’s a hiatus. It will come back, and will be easier and more streamlined than before. Loads of people are backing up data, so it can be (relatively) easily restored. None of this has to be worked out again, nothing shared on the internet can truly die, ideas can’t be killed.
    It’s gonna be 4 years of shit.
    Hopefully Americans learn, and don’t vote in more conservatives.


    Hopefully Americans get a chance to vote in another party.

    Edit: typo, equality not equity

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      4 days ago

      Thank you so much for your work on this.

      My post that you are replying to is mostly a tongue-in-cheek commentary on how programs that have existed for decades self-labeled as something that the right was able to rally against, thereby making themselves a single large target instead of a decentralized force distributed across agencies.

      I just know that I first started seeing “DEI” as a label pop up in the first Trump admin. Frankly, in 2018, it was called “Climate and Diversity” in my local environment. Shortly thereafter it got relabeled.

      DEI has been around since the 60s, in principle.

      Yup! Remember how I said that before it was labeled there was a complex network of programs doing this job? DEI is more of a label than a program. I fully agree.

      So, what constitutes DEI?
      What the right is defining it as? What it has been since the 60s? What Biden enacted? What the government bodies enacted during sleepy trump?

      It’s not well defined! It’s a scare word. It’s a label that we lined up behind that unintentionally made it easy for antiracist programs to be identified and targeted.

      Being against DEI is like being against Antifa, or declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation. It’s not really a thing.
      DEI is the awareness that previous centuries of discrimination no longer applies.
      DEI isn’t a tangible thing. It’s humanity.
      It didn’t happen during trump’s first term. But it did progress.
      It didn’t happen during Bidens term. But it did progress.
      That is humanity. Humanity progresses. Humanity is love, equity and freedom for all.

      I can’t agree more! The label of DEI just makes these programs easier to find. This us true both for people seeking assistance from these programs and for people seeking to dismantle them. Such identification is a double-edged sword, and that’s what my depressed brain was trying to communicate.

      Progress in the next 4 years is gonna be slow.
      But everyone has worked on this before. It’s a hiatus. It will come back, and will be easier and more streamlined than before. Loads of people are backing up data, so it can be (relatively) easily restored. None of this has to be worked out again, nothing shared on the internet can truly die, ideas can’t be killed.
      It’s gonna be 4 years of shit.
      Hopefully Americans learn, and don’t vote in more conservatives.


      Hopefully Americans get a chance to vote in another party.

      I love you. Thank you for this message of hope. I’m sorry to qualify it by saying: just because data can be restored, doesn’t mean that people or careers can be.

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        4 days ago

        Nice.
        With the tongue in cheek context, I understand your comment more: DEI (as an idea & movement) blossomed under trumps first term, because of the bullshit he caused and the reaction of the public.
        The government had actual civil servants (as opposed to appointed oppressors or whatever), and reacted in a sensible way.

        But yeh, the damage being done to people is unimaginable. People’s entire careers are being deleted from public records because they are a woman in STEM, or because they are the wrong colour, or because they don’t fit Christians opinion of normal. It’s fucked up

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          4 days ago

          I don’t have to imagine it. Part of why I’m grumpy and bitching on the internet is that I’ve found myself unemployed with a deleted career and an almost-finished phd. I’m kind of at a loss for what to do or what comes next or how I’ll pay rent in two weeks. I’m scared and I was victim blaming myself. Thanks for helping to contextualize my pain and pull me back to reality. I’m doing a lot better now after talking to people on lemmy than I was last night or even this morning.

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            4 days ago

            You mentioned space science, right? I’m an engineer at an aerospace company, feel free to message me if you want to chat about the industry, I’d love to help if I can.

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            Yeh, venting on the internet helps. And it’s always great when you actually connect with someone.

            I always wish I’d learned a trade. Electrician, plumber or tiler. Get an apprenticeship, learn a trade, be a sole trader, do something physical that’s always in demand.
            Plenty out there to do, and it’s ok to mourn your last job (being a student/doctorate is a job).
            Connect with old friends and family. Meet some new people. Somebody will be looking for someone smart and compassionate