1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
I find it strange this story seems to be getting so much traction in the media. I first saw it on a Forbes article, and now PETA has made a statement.
Idk if it was a shock collar, vibration collar, or if the dog got a claw stuck or whatever. In the clip, he does seem over-agitated in the moment, and possibly too strict/controlling/micromanaging of his dog (unless he just recently gave the dog a command to stay there before the clip started). But, that’s not really strong evidence of a pattern of animal abuse. Neither is having a collar too tight one time.
Some people think shock collars/e-collars are valid training tools. I don’t, but it seems strange the media is giving so much attention to a couple of clips showing possible questionable dog training/care practices of a Twitch streamer.
Honestly, that part is almost certainly because he’s pro-Palestinian, I think.
Oh well dude. This still looks horrible to me. I might tune into his stream at some completely random time, just to look into it and see what kinds of stuff he does when it’s not being cherry picked to be the most easy-to-misconstrue-as-horrible things he’s ever done in a full career of full time streaming, but this is honestly pretty cut and dried to me, and the impossible or self-contradictory things that his fans have been saying to try to justify it are not helping me to see it any different.
So you do understand how and why the hard right streamers and stans have a vested interest in killing his character?
Maybe that was “abuse”, but clearly overblown when you see hardrighters advocating violence on leftists. Hell you even see fascist president deploying the military to oppress their political opponents…
I don’t see the same mob mentality pushing back on them, or pushing back to a litteral elected official boasting about shooting their dog
It’s a sign of how far we’ve fallen that no one else called you out on this. Abuse is not acceptable, there is no “but”.
Yes it’s not acceptable, if it’s proven true (which is a debate in of itself). Of all the things to get outraged for, this ranks low in my priorities though.
There’s no fucking debate, dude. It sickens me to see so many people try to defend this, and that the dude is so popular in leftist circles. That’s why it should be an outrage. I’m sick of seeing leftists prop up this dude and ignore/defend any bad he does, especially now with animal abuse.
The dog moved out of bed, he got annoyed at her, reached out of screen, and she yelped. Since then people have found other clips of similar stuff happening: his dog staying in the same spot for hours, and when she tries to leave or reposition he reaches out of screen and she goes back. And the remote can even be spotted in some streams before he hides it.
Even if you don’t think shock collars themselves are bad, forcing a dog to stay in such a small place for hours without even a water bowl amounts to abuse. And his constant lies and contradictions show that knows what he is doing is fucked.
All of these streamers suck anyway. I don’t care about their personal life but I care about the views they are peddling and the impact their word has on their communities.
The Right streaming sphere also has a few despicable characters, but I don’t see the same witch hunt for them as for Hasan. iirc some also have abused animals if that’s your specific trigger.
This is simply identity politics and why political discourse is untenable nowadays.
For the dog part, I think it’s horrible to use a shock collar, and on the same level, police dogs and horses are also abused in the same way. Western culture sees eating dog meat as immoral, but some see eating any animal as immoral. Everybody has their own moral compass for this and I don’t go policing others for their views.
In answer to what you’re saying, firstly, I find it fucked up to call it identity politics. People don’t want animals to be abused, and so they call it out and post about it like they do for other news.
Anyway, I’m a leftist. I don’t really consume right wing media and I don’t engage with those communities. And as a leftist it hurts me to see other leftists give a pass to someone like Hasan because it’s just giving ammo to people on the right, and when it’s such a large community it can make a big stain and push new people out. Not to mention no one should be given a pass. Like, Hasan fans will literally bend over backwards to defend it and act like a cult. Dude has already made several excuses and finally landed on “she wasn’t even wearing a collar”, even though you can see it in the vod; but if you post screenshots his fans will say it’s photoshopped. I’m not good enough with words to convey my feelings on this phenomenon and my distaste for those people. There’s more to mention, but this comment is large enough.
Finally, in answer to your last paragraph, it’s a fair point in general, but in my case I’m a vegan.
I’m not giving him a pass. I just don’t see how the outrage is proportional to the crime. There is a literal genocide going on, but we care more about his dog than children being starved.
Like I said, other right wingers don’t get the same scrutiny. Of course nobody likes animal abuse, so that’s the easiest motive they can use to discredit his political stance.
How is it not identity politics? Had it been a random guy sure, but this is overshadowing the political discourse to focus on the person and framing it as you vs us. The president wearing a tan suit? Scandal! An elected republican killing their dog? No problem.
Associating views like mine as “giving him a pass” also plays into their hand to divide the left. Either I reject him or I accept him entirely, no middle ground, while I may agree on some stuff politically, as a person, I never met him and I don’t care about him.
If there’s one way to get me to question a side, is by getting PETA on your side.
My theory is that once it got in the news, the right picked it up and are milking it for all it’s worth to bad mouth the left?
This is pretty much it.
Unfortunately, the left can only blame itself for it.
This would be a non issue if people on the left actually called it out and didn’t just constantly defend this guy. And they could have stepped ahead of the situation by calling it out themselves.
The motto in Hasan’s community seems to essentially be: “No Gods, no masters, yes daddy”; and the rest of the left kind of just looks away.
Unfortunately there is extremism on both side which fucks things up royally.
I would like to form my own opinions without stuff shoved down my throat.
Either way I never liked Hasan much. Used to watch a bunch of Nopixel RP and he hung around who I watched. Mid at best. I remember him saying he would rather get rich with politics than be an obscure role player.