1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
Kaia wasn’t even making any noise over the mic, she just took a few steps. What a dick.
When you’re filming there’s two things that can cause a shoot to go sideways every time… kids and animals. This prick thinks he can control an animal as a prop.
How much support would he have garnered if he suddenly dropped out of whatever angry rant he was in and was like “who’s good girl!? You’re a good girl, yes you are, smooches, now go lay down and let papa cook, ok?” And then went back to whatever it was he was on about.
Literally every streamer I have ever seen just interacts socially with their animals when they interrupt the stream, and then whether they were irritated or happy to have them involved right at that moment, they just remove them and just get back to what they were doing. It is okay.
I can’t even fathom being such a piece of shit as is on display in these videos. It’s not just the physical action (although yes that too), it’s how annoyed he sounds that there is another being involved in this equation and now he has to deal with the inconvenience of their needs and actions. And he doesn’t even register that it’s weird to express that annoyance in such a cruel and entitled fashion on stream. Look at the woman’s face glancing at him right at the end of the “collar too tight” stream.
Your comment reminded me of William Osman (YouTube). He has a toddler and animals roaming in and out of his shots and always stops to talk to them. If it gets to be too much, he always has a friend or family to take care of them off screen.
This Piker person should be forced to wear that collar himself and give his community control. It would be the first and last episode I’d ever watch.
If I ever turn into a supervillain, my shtick is going to be kidnapping people and then putting them in little Dante’s Inferno scenarios like that.
- Hasan has to wear his dog’s shock collar and sit in the corner, and someone else is streaming and explaining all the good things that USAID used to do around the world and the Armenian genocide, and if he says anything or gets out off his spot, he gets shocked.
- Dmitri Lavrov goes on an interview program, and every time he tries to say that use of physical military munitions against civilians is justified if Russia says it is, someone off camera shoots him with a 40mm non lethal round in the abdomen.
- Stephen Miller gets to have a pair of handcuffs and a baton, and his task is to subdue and detain an actual vigorously healthy undocumented immigrant one on one, while the clip of him saying “we are so much more hardcore than they are” plays on repeat in the background.
And so on
Link me your Kickstarter when it all gets to be too much and you go off the deep end. I want to be in early.
We can dress up like ICE, and probably just kidnap literally whoever we want and whisk them away. Maybe even bust our way into Hasan’s studio so we can literally take Kaya’s collar and remote to strap onto him for the show. Here, take a look at the business plan…
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this scumbag treats women the same way
That’s a hell of an accusation to make, got any evidence you’d like to share to substantiate it?
While I’m inclined to believe you based on how he treats domesticated animals, what makes you say that? I’m not looking this prick up and start getting reformed Joe Rogan algorithm content.
People arguing over whether or not there is a shock collar or whether or not the dog was actually hurt by something are completely overlooking the objective fact that it is massive dickhead behaviour to get annoyed at your dog simply because it dared to get up and walk around the room.
ED:IT: He claimed later that his dog “clipped herself on something getting off the bed”. So not only does he get annoyed at his dog for walking around the room, he also gets annoyed at it when it’s in pain and doesn’t bother to investigate any further. People are really trying to defend this?
Yeah. The behavior of people in this comments section really blows my mind. Just listening to the guy talk about his dog, or watching them interact, it is very clear that he’s a POS. Also, the whole thing of “she’s the most spoiled dog in the world” and how angry he is about that, instead of something like “and she deserves it because she is the best” or something, is so disgusting. Bro why the fuck do you even have a dog. Just get a little statue to be in frame for you on the platform, and let this dog go live its life away from your stress inducing stream.
I think it for real is very similar to MAGA. The whole concept of watching the video and coming to their own conclusion is alien to them. They need a tribe to be part of, and so anything bad someone says about the tribe needs somebody to motivate to say some stuff in defense. They’re barely paying attention to the evidence, just trying to figure out how to muster the best counterpoint they can about whatever it is they’ve decided in advance is “the right side.”
I’ve yet to see anyone “out of their fucking minds” despite you saying it.
I realized something interesting: Sometime yesterday, the almost unanimous majority of the pro-Hasan commenters shifted over into accusing people of being fans of some other streamer who I have barely heard of, or of being taken in by random streamer drama. They’re all pretty familiar with streamer drama and all of the personalities at work in this weird little space.
That means that more or less every single one of the normies who just happened to run across this clip without being deep into streamer lore, had the same logical horrified reaction to it. The only people defending Hasan (with maybe like 1-2 exceptions, people who watched the clip and decided it didn’t look like a big deal to them) are people with some kind of parasocial thing going on, who are assuming that everyone else in the thread obviously has some alternate parasocial thing going on also.
As he has said in previous streams, he doesn’t care about the health of dogs because “they’re just dogs”. He has admitted to owning a shock collar and blamed his dog for being too fat when a guest on his stream pointed out that his dog’s collar was way too tight. There are so many red flags against this dude, it is incredibly obvious to anyone who isn’t a psychopath that this is a bad dog owner.
He has admitted to owning a shock collar
I mean, what he said was that his roommate owned a shock collar, and that he was against them. It was a little unclear to me but it didn’t exactly sound like he was admitting much of anything in that clip (if the one you have in mind is also the one I’m thinking of).
Twitter is now saying they figured out what collar he has, and that it’s the shock version of it that he took the prongs out of and then put black tape on the back of the box, and that’s why he was so incredibly hesitant to show it for more than 0.2 seconds or move his hand away from that weird sort of cardshark grip he had the collar in the entire time. I thought about making a separate post with the quick overview video which is all I’ve seen so far, but I’m honestly mostly done with dealing with this shit at least for tonight and I don’t really want to post it and start another kerfuffle until I can look at the details a decent amount myself. Here’s that video though (with some irritatingly quick scrolls through a document which lays out some of the details, you’ll have to pause to really be able to see anything, but it does make sense if you pause it and look):
https://files.catbox.moe/x0kbh4.mp4
And yes, I agree. The main thing that makes me think he’s a POS is his overall tone and emotional affect, and the dog’s reactions to him. If she just yelped on stream right after he reached for something, but then his overall way of interacting with her was normal and caring instead of exactly the opposite of that, then I probably wouldn’t think twice about it.
I mean, what he said was that his roommate owned a shock collar, and that he was against them. It was a little unclear to me but it didn’t exactly sound like he was admitting much of anything in that clip (if the one you have in mind is also the one I’m thinking of).
He says he bought it and still has it (at the time of the stream that was clipped from). He also said they’re incredibly effective. By itself that video doesn’t mean much, but there seems to be a consistent trail of evidence against the guy, certainly enough that no sane person would immediately dismiss the concerns.
Maybe. Like I said, the overall body language from the dog, and his tone of voice when he talks about her, and also him lying about objectively verifiable things, mean more to me on the topic than a lot of these clips that people are talking about.
(For example, the fact that back then he was saying that shock collars are mean and he doesn’t believe in them, and he’s bringing that up now as a defense of himself, but then saying simultaneously that shock collars don’t even hurt anyway so even if she was wearing one it wouldn’t be a big deal. That’s… well, you know.)
But anyway, like I say, I have never seen someone’s dog who is less happy to interact with them. She just seems defeated. She doesn’t lick him, she doesn’t perk up when he pays attention to her, she just sits there quietly while he’s rubbing her head or whatever, and then slowly obeys his commands to come here or go sit on her bed or whatever, with her head down. I realize that’s subjective but that is definitely my take on it.
Unless you’ve watched a lot of his streams, that feels like a pretty big stretch. There could be so many reasons why the dog was behaving in that manner, but there is no excuse for not checking on it when you think it’s in pain.
You have no credibility and no evidence
Did Hasan teach you this trick, of just repeating over and over again the same statement (after someone provides a video of the abuse, has a lengthy discussion about the plausibility of theories like “it’s a GPS collar” and goes through individual frames to show what they’re talking about or timelapses of a longer amount of the stream), as if whoever simply refuses to shut up for the longest automatically wins the disagreement? Obviously you’re not trying to make a factual point, since this whole thread is basically me providing evidence. I think the thing you are trying to do doesn’t really work in a format like this, I’m sure it is better if you can say “You have no credibility and no evidence. Goodbye.” and then kick the person from your stream or something, but that’s not what we are doing.
I honestly don’t have much more to say. Like I said, I thought about showing some of the freeze frames blown up from the video, showing that she definitely didn’t catch her dewclaw on the metal bar next to her for example, but what would be the point. Anyone who cares enough can put the clip through
mpvand see it for themselves (and being able to watch in context and flip around is better than the freeze frames anyway). Honestly as a broader point if you don’t have the emotional intelligence to see what is clearly present in Hasan’s and Kaya’s behavior just in the original clips, I don’t know what to tell you, and I don’t really feel like you and me talking further to each other about it is productive in any way at this point.after someone provides a video of the abuse, has a lengthy discussion about the plausibility of theories like “it’s a GPS collar” and goes through individual frames to show what they’re talking about or timelapses of a longer amount of the stream
This is an awful lot of effort for someone to go to just to convince me of how i should feel about a political commentator interacting with his dog.
As soon as you stop yourself to ask “is this really worth thinking this hard about,” it becomes pretty clear that you’re talking to someone a little too invested with the life of this public figure.
I care about what is true and often I want to dig to the bottom of it.
You could say it’s not a good way to be, and depending on the triviality of the subject matter you might be right. But I definitely don’t think it’s the worst thing in the world to have that mindset.
Also, just because everyone talked to me about Ethan Klein and he showed up in my YouTube anyway, I am now watching him for the first time, talking about this controversy.
Edit: WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I DONE now half my YouTube recommendations is streamer bullshit
The topics and people we choose to spend time and effort on speak quite a bit about what matters to us. It means something that this story captured this much of your attention, it isn’t neutral truth seeking.
I dont think it’s healthy to be this invested in a stranger’s relationship with their dog. That it involves a public figure you’ve had strong reactions to before makes me think this is just parasocial indulgence.
Fyi, this is called concern trolling.
Didn’t you just post a bunch of pure bullying videos about Ethan Kline?
I tried to watch Ethan Kline today for the first time, and it was too much bullshit for me to even want to be a part of for more than a few minutes. The man looks like a sickly Victorian orphan. A video about Ethan Kline and what a big poopy head he is, is not something I would ever consider watching let along posting. I tried to watch your video and all I can say is, I don’t think you should be giving advice to anyone along this particular axis.
You still have no credibility and no evidence
Being annoyed at all means you’re a dickhead? Reach
Being annoyed at your dog for literally just tentatively putting one paw down onto the floor quietly, and then jerking to a halt from what you were doing and glaring at her until she adopts a heartbreakingly submissive posture and gets back on her platform, yes 100% means you’re a dickhead. It’s a little dick headed to get annoyed at your dog for just quietly walking in the first place, yes, but maybe that could be excused if he’s amped up because of what he’s talking about and loses his cool a little bit for no reason. Not instantly walking it back and going over and comforting the dog once she gets scared like that, because it wasn’t her fault, makes you a massive asshole. I don’t even have words for how much of a self centered cock Hasan is showing himself to be in these clips. What’s he going to do when he has kids? What if they do something actually misbehavior, and he’s irritated by it but still has to keep his cool?
Like I say, it is mind blowing to me that you guys can watch these clips and you’re okay with it. I probably won’t continue to reiterate it for too much longer, but you keep reiterating “doesn’t look like anything to me,” so sure, let’s keep talking about it I guess.
Your obvious agenda is not helping your credibility, and my explanations throughout this thread have more than adequately answered your inane questions
Why do you think Hasan said she “clipped herself” when he wasn’t looking and had no idea why she might have suddenly yelped? Do you think he’s in the habit of coming up with glib explanations on the spot for why his dog suddenly yelped in pain, that explain them away, while using a condescending and dismissive tone of voice towards the entire type of the question?
Or is he maybe linked to the dog, like a twin, so that he felt her pain at the instant she felt it no matter the distance between them, in space or time?
You have an obvious agenda and nothing presented here supports your accusations, cope
How do you think he knew that she “clipped herself”?
Having ears+guessing would make sense, especially if this isn’t the first time its happened
Oh “clips” now? Plural? We’re embellishing the story even more?
Dude you’re a little ratfuck liar for Destiny aren’t you?
If my dog made a noise like that, I would be all over her trying to figure out what’s wrong. She made a whining noise in the backyard while she was peeing last night and I got up so fast I knocked my drink over. I don’t understand this shit at all.
Yeah same. It’s just normal, non-psychopathic behaviour to investigate further if you hear a sound that could have been induced by pain.
Wow, Hasan’s dedicated hate subreddit that constantly falsely smears him, is now saying he is abusing his dog.
Shocking.
Meanwhile, the leader of these brigades is literally currently in court for being a PDF file.
The word you’re looking for is pedophile
No, it’s “child molester.” Actual pedophiles don’t usually assault children. People who assault children are rarely people who are sexually attracted to children. Usually it’s one of your own fucked up family members who is acting out their own fucked up trauma. Rape is never really about sex, regardless of the victim.
If only we could look for ourselves and see what actually happened frame by frame, instead of having to rely on personalities and the source or authority in order to make sense of what had happened.
So when he says, “Kaya! Please!”, what misbehavior do you think he’s upset about? He brags about how well-trained this dog is (as, somehow, a defense against people saying that he is abusing her), so clearly she knows exactly what the boundary is that she just crossed with her behavior and he’s just helping to reinforce it. So what did she do?
I looked for myself and I still think you’re reaching
What misbehavior do you think he’s upset about? Or what misbehavior could he be upset about? I won’t ask you to read his mind, just asking for what a reasonable explanation could be about what she did that caused him to yell at her and then get all exasperated and sigh, like she’s a lost cause as a dog and he can’t even.
It sounds like he’s annoyed at the dog and scolded it, which happens and is not in any way indicative of abuse. I work remote and I’ve got a 2yo german shepherd who likes to interrupt my client calls by harassing the cats or climbing into my lap or galloping loudly into the room, occasionally I have to raise my voice and make her go lay down in her time-out corner even though she clearly would prefer not to. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if his dog were similarly in time-out for shenanigans that occured prior to this very short clip, perfectly normal non-abuse explanation for why he would be annoyed and why the dog would be expected to stay on the bed at least temporarily.
I watched the video, not sure what happened as there isn’t a ton of evidence from a single video, could be true, could be speculation. What I do know is the OP seems obsessed with bringing him down, that seems odd to me.
Edit: secondarily, is that what we are gonna do here now? Streamer drama. Whether it’s true or not, leave that shit on reddit. I thought I left the children behind there.
I see the same thing. It is really unclear what happened, but OP is… Quite interested in this? It’s unfortunate because there are legitimate criticisms to level at Hassan, but there are dedicated people that will take anything that makes Hassan look bad and use it as some kind of indictment on everything he represents.
Like, assuming the dog was shocked, that is bad, but… It’s not really that bad? Like he would be a bad dog owner, and potentially abusive to some, but I would guess the kind of people acting the most upset about this probably don’t really care about animal welfare. We do much worse to the animals we eat. Is it that much different for the animals we don’t?
Is it even different from how we allow parents to treat children?
And that’s assuming the worst. To me, Hassan scolded the dog, then looked potentially annoyed that the dog yelped about nothing. I get it, not a good dog owner thing to do, but I have seen parents do the same thing to their kids. It’s a generally shitty thing to do, but… We kinda do shitty things sometimes, and I kinda understand that.
You can criticize him as a dog owner, but it just feels like this is a hit piece and drama farm.
I find it strange this story seems to be getting so much traction in the media. I first saw it on a Forbes article, and now PETA has made a statement.
Idk if it was a shock collar, vibration collar, or if the dog got a claw stuck or whatever. In the clip, he does seem over-agitated in the moment, and possibly too strict/controlling/micromanaging of his dog (unless he just recently gave the dog a command to stay there before the clip started). But, that’s not really strong evidence of a pattern of animal abuse. Neither is having a collar too tight one time.
Some people think shock collars/e-collars are valid training tools. I don’t, but it seems strange the media is giving so much attention to a couple of clips showing possible questionable dog training/care practices of a Twitch streamer.
I find it strange this story seems to be getting so much traction in the media. I first saw it on a Forbes article, and now PETA has made a statement.
Honestly, that part is almost certainly because he’s pro-Palestinian, I think.
Oh well dude. This still looks horrible to me. I might tune into his stream at some completely random time, just to look into it and see what kinds of stuff he does when it’s not being cherry picked to be the most easy-to-misconstrue-as-horrible things he’s ever done in a full career of full time streaming, but this is honestly pretty cut and dried to me, and the impossible or self-contradictory things that his fans have been saying to try to justify it are not helping me to see it any different.
Honestly, that part is almost certainly because he’s pro-Palestinian, I think.
So you do understand how and why the hard right streamers and stans have a vested interest in killing his character?
Maybe that was “abuse”, but clearly overblown when you see hardrighters advocating violence on leftists. Hell you even see fascist president deploying the military to oppress their political opponents…
I don’t see the same mob mentality pushing back on them, or pushing back to a litteral elected official boasting about shooting their dogMaybe that was “abuse”, but
It’s a sign of how far we’ve fallen that no one else called you out on this. Abuse is not acceptable, there is no “but”.
Yes it’s not acceptable, if it’s proven true (which is a debate in of itself). Of all the things to get outraged for, this ranks low in my priorities though.
There’s no fucking debate, dude. It sickens me to see so many people try to defend this, and that the dude is so popular in leftist circles. That’s why it should be an outrage. I’m sick of seeing leftists prop up this dude and ignore/defend any bad he does, especially now with animal abuse.
The dog moved out of bed, he got annoyed at her, reached out of screen, and she yelped. Since then people have found other clips of similar stuff happening: his dog staying in the same spot for hours, and when she tries to leave or reposition he reaches out of screen and she goes back. And the remote can even be spotted in some streams before he hides it.
Even if you don’t think shock collars themselves are bad, forcing a dog to stay in such a small place for hours without even a water bowl amounts to abuse. And his constant lies and contradictions show that knows what he is doing is fucked.
All of these streamers suck anyway. I don’t care about their personal life but I care about the views they are peddling and the impact their word has on their communities.
The Right streaming sphere also has a few despicable characters, but I don’t see the same witch hunt for them as for Hasan. iirc some also have abused animals if that’s your specific trigger.
This is simply identity politics and why political discourse is untenable nowadays.For the dog part, I think it’s horrible to use a shock collar, and on the same level, police dogs and horses are also abused in the same way. Western culture sees eating dog meat as immoral, but some see eating any animal as immoral. Everybody has their own moral compass for this and I don’t go policing others for their views.
In answer to what you’re saying, firstly, I find it fucked up to call it identity politics. People don’t want animals to be abused, and so they call it out and post about it like they do for other news.
Anyway, I’m a leftist. I don’t really consume right wing media and I don’t engage with those communities. And as a leftist it hurts me to see other leftists give a pass to someone like Hasan because it’s just giving ammo to people on the right, and when it’s such a large community it can make a big stain and push new people out. Not to mention no one should be given a pass. Like, Hasan fans will literally bend over backwards to defend it and act like a cult. Dude has already made several excuses and finally landed on “she wasn’t even wearing a collar”, even though you can see it in the vod; but if you post screenshots his fans will say it’s photoshopped. I’m not good enough with words to convey my feelings on this phenomenon and my distaste for those people. There’s more to mention, but this comment is large enough.
Finally, in answer to your last paragraph, it’s a fair point in general, but in my case I’m a vegan.
If there’s one way to get me to question a side, is by getting PETA on your side.
My theory is that once it got in the news, the right picked it up and are milking it for all it’s worth to bad mouth the left?
This is pretty much it.
Unfortunately, the left can only blame itself for it.
This would be a non issue if people on the left actually called it out and didn’t just constantly defend this guy. And they could have stepped ahead of the situation by calling it out themselves.
The motto in Hasan’s community seems to essentially be: “No Gods, no masters, yes daddy”; and the rest of the left kind of just looks away.
Unfortunately there is extremism on both side which fucks things up royally.
I would like to form my own opinions without stuff shoved down my throat.
Either way I never liked Hasan much. Used to watch a bunch of Nopixel RP and he hung around who I watched. Mid at best. I remember him saying he would rather get rich with politics than be an obscure role player.
Yeah I’m calling bullshit. I’ve been around dogs my whole life, volunteered with abused animals at local shelters, worked at an animal hospital, I’m extremely familiar with what dogs act like when they’ve been abused and none of the body language from the dog in this video even hints at it. Looks more like a dew claw got caught on the edge of the bed.
She yelps in pain and he doesn’t even check on her. He coincidentally was reaching out of frame just as it happens. And there’s more clips of him reaching out when she leaves the bed, after which she goes back. There’s also a clip showing the remote, and he keeps contradicting not just himself but friends who try to defend him. That, and more.
Even if you don’t consider shock collars abusive, it’s clear he is abusing her by forcing her to be in a corner for hours on end, without even water.
Stop running defence for this dude just be cause he says he’s a leftist.
She yips once because her dew claw got caught on the bed, and he’s working. Whether you would have reacted with more concern is irrelevant, it’s not even close to evidence of abuse.
Brother, you are delusional. You can see her paws clearly and there’s no hint of her dew claw getting caught anywhere, and this “work” he is doing is talking to an audience that would have no issue with him interacting with his dog. And you’re still ignoring everything else. Stop defending animal abuse.
You are completely full of shit, this extremely obvious smear campaign is not going to work, cry about it
You guys are out of your fucking minds. I’m legitimately getting angry about this.
You can literally see the dew claw, on the back of her leg facing away from the “bed”, in both the frame before, and the frame after, she yelps. It is nowhere near contacting the bed or anything else. I don’t have time to make screenshots but I will make some.
I know that the Hasan subreddit is saying it was her dew claw. They’re also saying it was an air tag collar (and ignoring the big box with the green light). You guys are out of your fucking minds and this man is a massive piece of shit.
I only had to scroll back 13 hours to find a comment in your history that references your own carnism1. You likely commit grievous, monstrous cruelty and violence against vulnerable individuals several times a day. If what you are doing is an appropriate response to what this streamer does, then what is my appropriate response to what you are doing?
Your anger is so performative and misdirected. If I had to guess, I would say it is cognitive dissonance pressuring you to find targets for this anger, as a way of making yourself feel like a protector and defender of animals, despite your 24/7 behaviour to the contrary. This is a form of self-licensing. The lies we tell ourselves are not convincing to others. Keep this behaviour to yourself.
Or maybe it’s all just bad faith and you simply have an axe to grind against this guy.
1 How do you know when someone abuses animals? Don’t worry, they tell you, and tell you, and tell you, and tell you, and…
Your anger is not legitimate, the dog’s leg is visibly right up against the bed as she’s stepping back onto it, your obvious desperation for any excuse to discredit this guy is not a good look
Do you agree with the Hasan subreddit that she obviously caught her dew claw on the bed? Or did she maybe just bump her leg on the bed and that was what caused her to suddenly yelp in pain?
(Edit: Fuck me, I’m saying “bed” now. It’s a weird little hard platform, it’s clearly not a bed.)
From what I can see in this clip it’s at least plausible that it was a dew claw or the dog equivalent of bashing your funny bone, I can’t rule out the possibility that he’s using a shock training collar of some kind, but there’s absolutely nothing inherently abusive about those when used responsibly either. If it was a shock collar it was clearly not an extremely high output setting or for an unreasonable duration, not even close to evidence of animal abuse.
So, um, why is Hasan angry at the dog then? And why is he 100% unbothered by the dog clearly being in pain for one reason or another?
there’s absolutely nothing inherently abusive about those when used responsibly either
“It didn’t happen, but if it did they deserved it anyway” ass excuse. What is this potentially responsible usage in this case? Forcing the dog to stay in the exact same spot for four hours of the stream because it’s a cute prop?
What is this potentially responsible usage in this case?
It’s part of the progression. You say something that sounds “defense adjacent,” and is also true. The other option is to just attack the person speaking, or to attack the victim. Dealing with the facts at hand is right out.
Honestly, having watched some of Hasan’s stream today, I kind of get where they pick it up from. He spent, no lie, about 40 minutes just talking continuously about how “they” are out to get him and “they” just think every bad thing about him and obviously he would never hurt his dog and she’s super well trained, basically just doing everything possible to dodge or deflect the accusation, but always in this incredibly condescending tone of voice like what he is saying is obviously the truth and anyone who doesn’t think so is stupid. He actually, to his credit, did address it head-on somewhat after those 40 minutes were up, but still in the most backwards ass way possible (search for “ants” to see my comment about some of the more batshit things he said).
You still have no evidence and less credibility than ever
It’s amazing how absolutely psychotic your favorite subreddit has made you. Go touch grass homie?
What the absolute fuck are you talking about?
Calling it “angry” is an overstatement, he sounds annoyed, and probably because he’s in the middle of doing his full time job which appears to be an enormous pain in the ass in part thanks to weird obsessed people like you. The “potentially responsible use case” for a training collar is training, fucking duh, the only people generally committed to not accepting that fact are PETA types and nobody cares what they think so you’re gonna have to do better than this if you want anyone to take you seriously. Nobody here has presented any evidence yet for 4 continuous hours, I’ve seen a 56 second clip and a time lapse that claims 4 hours but features multiple extremely obvious cuts, again you’re gonna have to do better.
The “potentially responsible use case” for a training collar is training, fucking duh
So what is he training the dog to do?
Nobody here has presented any evidence yet for 4 continuous hours, I’ve seen a 56 second clip
The clip is the crux of the evidence. The time lapse is just to contextualise how much the dog has moved. Let’s assume that he did shock the dog, what evidence would you require beyond the clip?
Ohhh we got an H3 Stan on a crusade in here. You gonna defend Israel, too?
They’ve been a critic of the Nuremburg Trials in the past, so…
https://lemmy.world/search?q=israel&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=16701947&page=1&sort=TopAll
Like I said, they’ve deteriorated into just nonsense and wild accusations, because that’s what Hasan did about the issue today, and he was super forceful and emotional about it. Not that it matters, even addressing it sort of feeds into the whole “let’s stop talking about the facts and what’s in the videos,” but I don’t like Israel no, and I don’t really even know whether H3 is a person or a channel or what it / he is.
Ethan and Destiny are losers and so are you
You call this animal abuse, the guy barely gets angry, and even if he did get angry it doesn’t mean jack shit about how some one treats their pet. You call this animal abuse, the guy isn’t even yelling at his dog, it doesn’t mean anything.
For your own health, you should probably ask yourself why you think he is abusing his pet, based on the evidence you shared? Because there is no way that you can tell by the two clips you shared that he is, in NO WAY. But here you are sharing this as evidence. Either you are stupid as fuck or you are being manipulated by this whole streamer drama shit.
Stop watching internet influencers, they are all boring as fuck and stupid as fuck, but I guess stupid attracts stupid.
You can be abusive without being angry or yelling… your refutation makes no sense.
Dogs are notoriously insecure about people criticizing their career achievements for example
Yap yap yap, annoying bro, who did say anything otherwise. Do I have to state everything that is considered abusive and what is not?
Stop playing smart.
You call this animal abuse, the guy barely gets angry, and even if he did get angry it doesn’t mean jack shit about how some one treats their pet. You call this animal abuse, the guy isn’t even yelling at his dog, it doesn’t mean anything.
Yes and what else? You do understand that my comment is in the context of the video?
What do you mean…
Jesus Christ, for all I know he might be feeding his dog shit.
Stop watching internet influencers, they are all boring as fuck and stupid as fuck, but I guess stupid attracts stupid.
Way ahead of you. It is remarkable how universally the Hasan stans have all started assuming that I watch some kind of “counter-Hasan” and that’s where all this is coming from. Like I said, I saw it on reddit when it went to the top of /r/all for a while.
You call this animal abuse, the guy isn’t even yelling at his dog, it doesn’t mean anything.
See, this is more of what I’m talking about when I say that the stans are doing absolutely 0 to change my mind about this: I think it’s pretty clear that he shocked the dog with a collar on stream. You might disagree with that, and fine, you can tell me why you think so (my guess is it will include the phrase “dew claw.”) But just pretending that all of a sudden we’re talking about him “barely yelling at her” and that’s the issue, is just going to convince me that you’re not really aware of what we’re talking about. And that kind of lack of reading comprehension doesn’t really bode well for your ability to make sense of things that are more complex than “what do the words I literally just read say, and what does the person who wrote them think happened and what are they irritated about.”
I think you need to evaluate what “evidence” is and see that there is none of it in this clip. Like none. 0. Only vague inferences from an extremely loose correlation of subtle actions. You trying to sell this as “incontrovertible” proof is the most disingenuous thing I’ve seen.
If you are not a parasocial “counter-Hasan” activist you are being an extremely useful idiot to their ends right now. I would delete this whole post out of sheer embarrassment if I were you and then evaluate my life choices on spreading internet drama that you, by your own admission, are not even involved or invested in.
Disgusting and shameful.
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZU2qy3CRk0. FUCKING EMBARRASSING. DELETE THIS.
“I give Kaya the place command as I usually do” He did not do that, he ranted about Israel for a while and then when she dared to step off the platform he said, “Kaya! Please!” Also “Go ba–” and “Stop!”
Like the “she clipped herself” thing, this to me at least is a massive red flag. It’s hard to tell what’s true, you kind of walk into a situation and you’re not sure what to think and it’s all conflicting claims. But one of the early things you can pick out is someone who lies about something recent that is instantly verifiable, and does it confidently and sort of automatically. It doesn’t mean they’re on the wrong side of everything, but it’s a massive warning sign, and then if later on they wind up wanting you to take their word for things you know how much weight to give it.
You trying to sell this as “incontrovertible” proof
Pretty sure I never did that, search for “You might disagree with that, and fine”
I have more to say, but not tonight, it is enough for one day good lord. Whenever I get up the gumption to say more I will tag you I guess.
FUCKING EMBARRASSING. DELETE THIS.
No I don’t think that I will
Just wanted to chime in and thank you for taking the time replying to these selectively blind & deflecting individuals and trying to get them off their wild wild ride. I don’t have the energy to argue with them myself, but it’s truly maddening how they’re ignoring what’s right in front of them - ignoring what a PoS this influencer is, is playing right into right-wing people’s hands.
Ha, thank you. Just the fact that it involves someone being careless and mean to his dog got me pretty riled up about it tbh.
I see that they’ve now progressed from “Why do you care SO MUCH about and have a parasocial attachment to this streamer, that’s weird” and into “Why are you even spending SO MUCH time and energy posting about this topic, how dare you put comments on this internet site, that is unhealthy.” I feel like the sudden shift away from actually talking about the subject matter means I’m winning lol.
Okay, I got my gumption, here’s what more I have to say:
https://piefed.social/post/1354201
You can thank @[email protected] for irritating me to the point that I decided to take some time with a detailed response
Lol definitely not beating the “obsessed with Hasan” allegations anytime soon, still no evidence still no credibility, consider seeking professional help
Lol you’re losing
started assuming that I watch some kind of “counter-Hasan” and that’s where all this is coming from.
It’s pretty clear you do, or you frequent places that have a cult-like hate for Hasan. Any reasonable and neutral viewer would see this is a nothing burger. Or at least warrants caution before accusing and slandering someone.
You’re delusional, I’m not even going to make an effort trying to understand what you are trying to say. The fucking thing stops when you say “you think”, that is the whole point, you don’t know, you think.
And you just want to start a pitchfork mob, about something “you think”. You Are A Dangerous Idiot.
Sweet
Keep talking, I just crossposted the new thing with images of the sockets for the shock collar’s prongs to [email protected] to try to get that community back going again. I will probably calm down with the crossposts after this, three is enough, but it was a decent amount of fun just doing one crosspost every time one of the Hasan stans said something cult-y to me about it and it has resulted in a pretty quick succession of crossposts at this point lol.
Jesus, you still have no evidence of it, it doesnt matter if if he owns a shock collar or not. There is no way for you to know if he shocked his dog or not. And to be frank, shock collar doesn’t indicate animal abuse. I had a uncle who had to use a shock collar because his puppy wouldn’t stop barking and the neighbors got kinda tired of hearing his dog bark all day all night, which triggered when the dog was about to bark. And it doesn’t even feel like a “shock”, it feels like you are being poked or touched.
You know that animal abuse is illegal? And do you think that selling shock collars, which you consider animal abuse, would then be legal?
Can we argue that he is a bad dog owner - yeah, but is he abusing his dog, who the fuck knows, the fucking shit you guys share is insane.
I did another one:
Cool story bro
You can still watch influencers, just don’t watch the ones pushing pointless junk you don’t need. Alec from Technology Connections is an example of a good influencer you should let yourself be influenced by. He even hates the word “influencer”!
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He showed the collar on stream today. It vibrates but it doesn’t have shock pins on it.
This is bullshit drama stirred up by people who have actually killed their dogs via ignorance and another who is a child molestor and staunch Israel supporter.
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God shut the fuck up. You’re just jumping on the bandwagon. Also do you eat animals? Yes, then fuck you saying you care.
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Hell yeah brother go save the world one fake outrage at a time
I blame the systems of education in this country, plus a lack of community that makes people latch onto these parasocial situations where one particular streamer’s fanbase, or one particular Lemmy community, becomes “their community” and they have to leap to defend it against outsiders. It is mind-boggling, though, I will definitely agree about that.
Ironic considering one of the three communities you likely come from are engaging in offensive brigading of this to “take down another streamer’s community”
I do not “come from” any community. I saw this on Reddit’s /r/all, this is the second time I have watched or cared about Hasan Piker (the first was when he was saying something about the CIA/Mossad definitely being behind some world event, I don’t even remember the details).
The emphasis that the pro-Hasan people are putting onto “if you are ‘attacking’ this tribe’s person you must be from this other tribe!” is very weird. At least you’re not trying to use it as a defense of Hasan as some others are. Anyway, I’ve seen as much of the substance behind it as I really want to see at this point.
People are assuming that because Hasan and everyone even tangentially associated with him have been targeted by aggressive smear campaigns from multiple different online communities relentlessly ever since he began advocating for Palestine. There are entire channels dedicated exclusively to engagement bait slop content targeting Hasan, most of whom got their start doing the same thing targeting high-profile liberal politicians. The kind with bright yellow text and O-face thumbnails. You’ve been taken in by rage bait created by people who have made a career out of it.
You’ve been taken in by rage bait created by people who have made a career out of it.
Sounds to me like you’ve been taken in by creator-knob-slobber parasocial excuse making.
I’m fine with the theory that he’s being “targeted” because of his political stance, I’m sure he’s under a microscope because of it. But I am in no way saying this particular sin he is guilty of just because a lot of shouty people are accusing him of it. I watched the video, I watched his reaction, I watched what his stans here and on Reddit were saying in his defense, and I can say in my opinion the pro-Hasan contingent is unhinged to this cult-like degree about it.
It’s not hard when someone tell you your dog’s collar is too tight to say, “Oh shit! Yeah, let me loosen that.” It’s not hard when your dog randomly yelps in pain to say “Hey girl what happened, what’s wrong?” (even accepting the to-me-very-unlikely theory that it wasn’t because he shocked her). The dude just looks like a POS in all these clips, and in general I am further disgusted by the whole “she clipped herself” and then today “oh actually I have no idea what happened” and the way he approaches criticism… which, actually, is exactly the same way you and all the other stans here have been approaching it today: To claim it’s a big conspiracy and he has tons of enemies and completely deflect away from talking about the factual concern, acknowledge that someone could have a legitimate reason to be upset based on what they saw. To be fair he did that last thing today… after FORTY FIVE MINUTES of whining about what a big conspiracy it is and how all his enemies are stupid and all just ganging up on him on Reddit.
I have no idea who “Destiny” is. I have never seen Ethan Klein or H3. All these communities that people are accusing me of obviously coming from, is just reinforcing to me that they picked up on this walking logical fallacy’s official marching orders about what to think about this issue, to make it tribal so that they can stop engaging with the evidence and just decide it’s an enemy tribe at work to destroy them.
None of the factual explanations are consistent. It’s an airtag collar and you’re a total idiot, except now it’s a vibration collar and you’re a total idiot, but he doesn’t vibrate her anyway, and anyway shock collars don’t even hurt, it’s like ants. Bro wtf.
I keep trying to disengage from this discussion and people keep messaging me, and I keep wanting to say something back and spending more time on it because it’s so cut and dried. Sure, maybe I am wrong. This is just my read from literally just opening my eyes and watching the clips. I very regularly watch clips about things like this and decide “bro wtf, that is completely innocent IDK what these people are smoking” and in general just strongly dislike streamer drama. My assessment here is that he’s a POS though. That is my feeling.
I fully acknowledge that I could be wrong about this and will admit it if that turns out to be the case, but the evidence I have seen so far is not convincing to me. I’m only a casual viewer of Hasan’s content, watching the occasional YouTube clip of his streams, but I also watch some streamers who are close friends with him far more frequently, especially Maya. Maya runs an animal sanctuary and cares deeply for animals, and has been close friends with Hasan for years, close enough that I don’t think that Hasan could be abusing his dog routinely without her knowing about it.
I admit that I’m defensive, but that is because - as you’ve acknowledged - it is true that Hasan and those associated with him have been targeted for his staunchly pro-Palestinian stance, and I care far more about this cause than I do any media personality. It is also true that the very same people are responsible for blowing up this controversy (you would not have even heard about it otherwise, not being a viewer of Hasan or any of those associated) and have even posted edited clips from 8 years ago making it sound like Hasan admitted to buying a shock collar when he was actually saying the exact opposite, following the same playbook that they have in the past in their attempts to discredit him.
Now, is it possible these people have struck gold and finally found a legitimate cause for criticism? Sure, but anyone familiar with what has been going on has good reason to be extraordinarily skeptical of the claims being made. I will say again, these people have made a career out of targeting Hasan, with nearly all of their content in the past year being about him and his friends. By now they are experts in clipping out of context and making small edits to make Hasan look bad, and one could be forgiven for getting a bad impression of him from casually glimpsing their output. It is easy to be misled when you are only seeing a small part of a bigger picture.
I will wait for more conclusive evidence before I believe that Hasan abused his dog.
have even posted edited clips from 8 years ago making it sound like Hasan admitted to buying a shock collar when he was actually saying the exact opposite, following the same playbook that they have in the past in their attempts to discredit him.
See, this is a pretty good example: I 100% agree with you here, and just told someone so who was trying to use that clip against him. That’s my MO. I see something, I try hard to step back and see it for what it is and then decide how to judge the actions accordingly. I don’t just kind of buy into whatever crap shows up on my internet that day (or I try not to, although definitely sometimes I get taken, I like to think it is rare.) Same goes if it’s Hasan or Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris or my brother-in-law. There is a time when “loyalty to the cause” needs to factor into it, but that’s like a dire circumstance. Like I would never pretend that MLK didn’t cheat on his wife or Thomas Jefferson didn’t own slaves, or that Biden didn’t enable a genocide just because I wanted his team to win the election. I don’t think anyone in Palestine is going to be helped by pretending to see things differently than how I see them on this dog issue. Generally speaking I think truth is almost always better.
For one thing, I don’t think it helps Hasan for people to be in hero worship mode. Everyone needs to be called out on their bullshit sometimes, because everyone is bullshit at least part of the time. It’s part of being human. If people exist for too long in that space where no one’s allowed to call them out, they start to go real off the rails and just think that they’re God and everyone else is stupid.
Like I say I may have a blinkered picture of the guy, I fully agree with you about certain negative things about him probably getting played up because of his politics. Fair enough. I can make an effort in the future to catch him on some random stream, to get a fair sampling, but IDK how that translates into all this deflection and weirdness about this particular factual matter that is on display all over this comments thread.
It’s replies like this that make me assume you have an agenda.
Like, you blame the (I assume) US education system, streamers, and Lemmy for parasocial relationships. You might as well shake your fist at kids blasting their rap music, and get upset about someone saying “OK Boomer” to you.
But, like, parasocial relationships have existed for longer than streaming or the internet or even television or radio has existed. As long as there have been famous people, there have been parasocial relationships.
I just feel like you don’t really care about the dog. What you really care about is hating on Hasan or… Maybe the youth? I dunno, it’s weird.
Y’all are just making shit up. There is a smear campaign against him from other streamers and maga and pro Israel fucks. Fucking dumbasses live on a different plane of reality.
Why did he scream at doggo just for moving (in the original video) ? That in itself sucks. Also he initially said no there was no collar then 12hrs later said there was a collar and showed it with the prongs removed and taped.
I could care less one way or the other about a nopixel rp streamer gone political. But it sure seems sus in the least.
Here’s a post with him talking to his dog trainer about electric collars. Y’all can decide for yourself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1o1ph16/hasans_dog_trainer_acknowledges_that_he_and_hasan/
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Wow. No need for name calling. Nor do I see what being rough has anything to do with the situation.
Go vegan, hypocrite
If you could care less then you do care at least a bit in the first place.
Regardless if he shocked the dog or not, to me it’s bizarre how he gets upset over the dog getting up
Training a dog to stay on their bed is basic dog training…
If they are being rowdy or you need them to calm down sure. But expecting them to lie still for how ever many hours you’re gonna sit there and stream is just unreasonable. The dog only stood up and put their front paws off the bed before getting told off. While being choked nonetheless.
Choked?
At the end of the clip, the lady says she can’t even get one finger under the collar. A collar with quite deep prongs sticking out if it is indeed a shock collar. Even the recommended “two finger” test is quite tight, but it’s to ensure they don’t slip it while outside.
I didn’t watch with the sound on, so I didn’t know she commented on it.
I don’t see how that makes his reaction any less bizarre…
People should find something to do with their lives than be a part of this culture that revolves around random people whose job it is to talk into a mic on stream.
Don’t care one way or the other about the streamer but this is some wild shit to be so upset about. Guy in heated political rant looks at dog and dog yelps. Uh… OK? There’s real, genuinely vile animal abuse in the world and we need to get riled up over this well groomed and pampered dog yelping because it might have gotten shocked.
Even if we choose to break it down like the Zapruder film and find a shock collar what does that mean? Is the mere existence of a shock collar on a dog evidence of animal abuse? Is there real proof that it was used in this clip? Would irrefutable evidence of one shock completely demolish this man’s credibility? If you care because he’s a public figure that could be normalizing abusive behavior then why don’t you repost some headlines about that Maga lady shooting dogs in her back yard or any of the dog fighting stories that pop up from time to time?
They don’t actually give a shit about the dog or the validity of the accusations, they’re just interested in attacking the streamer. Just as parasocial and deranged as any rabid fan, just from a different emotional direction.
Bingo
I’d guess people who are upset about shock collars are also upset about dogs getting shot
He seems like a complete asshole, and this is the first time ever hearing of him
Seriously. I have some politics that are more-or-less similar to some of his politics, so I was sort of predisposed to like him, but almost every video I have seen of him makes him look like such a massive childish cunt that I can’t understand why he has a following. Just hearing his voice whenever he gets challenged or corrected on something is like hearing an angle grinder.
That’s an offense to angle grinders, jerk… but I appreciate how you can see both sides. I feel the same way about my country. I can LOVE my country, but I will always be skeptical of my leaders.
Hasan has always been a total narcissist. His leftist positions are pure coincidence, since he’s utterly unreflective and philosophically illiterate. That he’s not a right-wing grifter is a flip of the coin.
Honestly that makes a certain amount of sense. The way he instantly “knows the answer” to whatever world event just happened and the reasons, and it always happens to be the most convenient ideological matchup with his particular tribe and whatever would be best for them and then he gets angry and calls someone stupid if they ever try to say that something different happened, is very much the sign of someone who didn’t really reason their way into the positions they have, just wants to pick a side and have shock-value and make soundbites aligned with that side.
Cool story
I’ll preface this by saying that I do not follow any of these slop streamers (be it Hasan, Ethan/Hila, Destiny, etc.). I think they all suck. I’m just upset that the dog got hurt.
That being said - from my perspective and first impression I’m leaning towards this being a shock collar incident.
The “paw clipping” theory doesn’t hold water to me currently. We don’t know what kind of bed that is and it’s not possible to determine this from the video. Maybe there is evidence that can prove this otherwise, but from what I’ve been reading, nobody provided anything to suggest this other than a slowmo of what we already can (or rather, cannot) see. The timing of the dog’s reaction is interesting, I’ll accept that, but that may as well just be a coincidence until there is something else to support it.
The “shock collar” theory looks more plausible because:
- The dog has an electronic collar in the first place
- Hasan’s timing of doing something off-screen with his left hand also coincides with dog’s reaction
- Hasan’s previous statements on the dog herself and alleged carelesness towards her
The mere possibility of the collar having that function is enough to make me lean towards that it actually is a shock collar. Granted, he showed the collar on stream, but that doesn’t really prove us anything until he provides an exact product make and model and it being on the dog in that exact configuration as he presented it.
Besides, the collar being electronic at all is a major red flag in my opinion. If he needed to track his dog, he could easily attach an AirTag to a regular collar.
At the end, I don’t care who or what it is. Just let the dog be happy. If he doesn’t like having or caring for the dog, then why have it in the first place?
https://files.catbox.moe/x0kbh4.mp4
Someone asked him on stream what he was reaching for right at the moment that he was super-focused on being exasperated at the dog, and he said something that to me sounded like “my zintins.” I’m too boomer to even understand what the fuck word he said, so if anyone knows what that’s about or whether it is plausible that he was suddenly motivated to snatch for them right at that moment please I would appreciate a leg up of understanding.
Zyn it’s like nicotine gum but instead of chewing you leave it against your gums.
Are people just using “slop” for anything they dislike now?
In this instance, I used “slop” to describe those streamers because that’s what I actually see them as - sloppy.
Or would you prefer for me to use a different adjective? I could use “uninteresting” or “annoying” or even “lazy” for a good number of those.
The tightness of the collar and his reaction to her saying is sus, especially if he didn’t fix it. I’m guessing he did or you or the video would mention it…, but really? a shock collar? This video doesn’t show anything like what you’ve described. All I could tell was that the dog yapped at one point and… that’s it… Admittedly I have zero experience with shock collars. If this is a regular thing he does then surely there’s more than one example?
The dog reacts the moment he reaches for something that he only reached for after first seeing the dog up and moving. It could be coincidence, or he could have activated a shock collar.
I’m guessing he did or you or the video would mention it
Why would you assume that? I have no idea. I would be fine trying to dig up the rest of the clip to see context, although I don’t know if I would succeed. Given his reaction I would be pretty surprised if he fixed it.
This video doesn’t show anything like what you’ve described. All I could tell was that the dog yapped at one point and… that’s it…
You can literally see the shock collar box on her at 0:13 when she turns away to go back to the platform. He also claims that she “clipped herself”, when he wasn’t looking at her and would have no idea why she suddenly gave a big sharp yelp right at the same moment when he reached for something off screen.
If he was telling the truth, he would say “I have no idea why she made that noise, she’s a big baby” or something. That is literally the only explanation that he would have that even could be truthful. The fact that he even has an explanation for what happened that made her yelp means he is lying.
People on Reddit have also slowed down and brightened the footage, and it’s very clear that she didn’t bump herself or anything on any object, that just suddenly out of nowhere she made this sudden yelping noise and also changed her mind about wanting to get off the little platform and go walk around.
You can draw your own conclusions of course but I am not sure why people could see this and come to any other conclusion.
So, literally, your argument is that the dog made a noise and he got annoyed by it and doesn’t know what happened at some place he wasn’t looking at?
The only thing you can clearly see at 0:13 is that the collar is adjustable.
Edit: You can also see a green light on the back of it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbzsW86X4qA&t=9286s a couple seconds after the start of the video. Also, keep watching. Dude is a fucking psychopath. It’s weird to me that people can watch these clips and not see it.
That image seems to not be on the video at all.
The point is that there’s a box on the collar?
Yes. The point is that there’s a box that’s on the collar. There are no collars that come with big boxes with lights attached to them, that are not shock collars.
I mean you can either see this stuff, or you can’t. Obviously you can’t. Watch the YouTube video in my edit, and if after you reach the point where Hasan makes a little self-satisfied grunt after she climbs sadly back onto her designated platform after he mean-mugs her, you want to still tell me he is a non abusive dog owner, then sure, you’re welcome to your mistaken opinion about it I guess.
There are no collars that come with big boxes with lights attached to them, that are not shock collars.
Did you forget that GPS collars exist?
This is the first time I’ve ever heard the claim that Kaya wears a shock collar and the first time I’ve ever seen her yip like that. What I have seen is Hasan picking Kaya up to cuddle her because she’s a big baby, Hasan reaching over to check his phone when he gets a notification, and Kaya roaming freely when she wants and often choosing to lie on her little bed in the stream room.
It seems very unlikely that this is a shock collar that Hasan uses the second Kaya gets up to stretch.
Also dogs will show through their body language when they’re afraid of someone or something they’re doing. There is no tucked tail, there is no head bowing, there is no averting eye contact.
Did you watch my YouTube video with the mean mugging?
That’s a vibration collar with an airbag next to it. He’s demonstrating the functionality of the collar on stream right now and showing it light up and vibrate.
Do you have a timestamp for showing the collar? I’m looking at this:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2586575954
It is borderline unbearable to just keep scanning through this stream. He has literally spent half an hour now just whining about how unreasonable it is that people are concerned about this and talking down about how people aren’t as qualified as he is about dogs.
Edit: 34:21 “… to go out on the trail or whatever, there are going to be instances where you can yell for her to come back, to do recall, but because she’s so far away, she can’t hear you. Okay? That’s where the vibration collar comes in.” I’m not a pro dog traininer but that sounds like the biggest load of shit I’ve ever heard.
37:04: “A shock collar is… like if you’ve ever used a TENS machine, it feels like ants. It’s a TENS machine. That’s what the sensation feels like. Okay? But it doesn’t even matter, because that’s not what she was, uh… that’s not, like I don’t have that anyway.”
Okay that’s about as much as I can stand. Mr. Kettle Logic is completely wrong. My sister has shocked herself with a shock collar to test for her dog when they got one of those invisible fences, and it hurts like hell. It’s not like ants, otherwise it wouldn’t do a damn thing. I’m not an expert in a lot of these things but I can confidently say that he is using this authoritative tone of voice to spout at least a certain amount of absolute horseshit.
If you want to give me the timestamp of when he shows this allegedly-the-same-collar-as-before collar, then sure, I’m a little bit curious I guess, but I’m pretty much done wanting to look into this at this point again for today.
I literally just replied to you with it. Also do a search on Amazon for vibration collar. Plenty of no-shock vibration collars out there.
Yeah, I saw. Thanks for the timestamp. He was extremely cagey about putting the collar clearly on stream (he was sort of cradling it in his hand and briefly waving it around and then putting it back down off stream again). Also it’s weird that he apparently has the remote just sitting on his desk in front of him to demo the vibration feature the instant that someone asks about it. I have to say though it does look a little bit exculpatory (he at least does own a vibration-only collar), but also, the collar she was wearing when she made the yelping noise had the airtag on her right side, and I couldn’t see a big chunky piece, whereas the collar in my “record scratch” YouTube video and the one he’s showing on stream today have the airtag on her left side and a clear chunky piece. Usually people tend to put their dog’s collars on in the same alignment every day (and why would she even be wearing the vibration collar to be just sitting there on stream?).
It’s kind of inconclusive to be honest after watching this (and still sus to me that he keeps emphasizing that she has multiple collars, and saying things that are not true about training collars in general). I still am inclined to go with my first read of the whole situation. I do appreciate being able to see his counter argument that he’s at least somewhat addressing the allegations instead of just getting all emotional about it and saying his enemies are clearly bullying him for no reason (although he does do that also yes).
Is there a way I can get this whole stream? I’m on twitch right now, interested to see his explanations, but I am curious to see the actual collar also. But I can’t see how to rewind. Maybe I am just dense.
I would assume that a vibration collar is also a shock collar. Again maybe I’m wrong but I have not heard of a “vibration collar only.”
Edit: Okay, I see it, they do exist as a non-shock option. He is saying that he didn’t shock her, but she does have a vibration collar on. He was reaching off screen for his ZinTins (?), not for a remote.
Edit2: Okay, I see, I’m scanning through to see the actual collar rn.
Vibration only collars are pretty common for training. You can see the current stream vod by going to his stream profile and looking at videos, the latest one (“1 hour ago”) is usually the current stream and will have anything up to around 5-10 minutes ago or so. Just skip to 45:30 and you’ll see the collar. Shock collars need to have prongs like an inch long to reach through fur. He’s holding the back of it with his thumb flat against it and there are no prongs. Shockers used for kink are also just repurposed dog collars, as the one I have has prongs and a spacer the company added since humans don’t have fur. What he showed definitely doesn’t have shocker prongs.
Also, if all vibration collars were also shock collars, then what would people who don’t want to shock their dogs buy?
The reason I assumed that is because there are a lot of false narratives spun around this guy, so if there was more to show by his haters they would have shown it. I believe you for now, but I will look at this further. Part of why I doubted your claim is that Turkish people are really nice to cats and dogs, but that is a generalization, of course.
Personally, I take issue with his cursing people out. Turkish is the best language for cursing, but a lot of the terms depend on ableism or anthrocentrism ( I think it’s called that.) The ableism comes up when he just dismisses someone and their arguments. I pointed out to him he’s using the term “psychotic” wrong and that he’s thinking of “psychopathy”. I thought mainly to correct his English. I’m a triple immigrant. I’ve had to tutor so many people in English with no pay that I both hate it and do it instinctually. Regardless, the mods jumped on me even though he agreed. He learned the definition of the terms, it seems, but I think armchair diagnosing people with mental illness to dismiss them while saying you’re there to educate has plenty wrong about it. Calling someone a donkey cause they’re being stupid, for example, makes no sense to me. Donkeys are quite smart. Also, he let himself get distracted by Charlie Kirk’s very deserved assassination, and by doing so let the media attention turn away from Palestinians being genocided. I cannot, however, say whether his good deeds outdo the bad so that he’s a net positive or negative for the world. Good and bad deeds don’t necessarily cancel each other out, and I think evil is more likely to undo good than is the other way around. Such is the nature of creation and destruction.
I want to limit how much I think about each individual political influencer, so I apologize if I don’t continue this conversation
Okay I thought about this, looked into it, scanned your clip some more, and unless there’s more instances of something like this happening, this is a one huge nothing-burger. If there was more evidence you would have provided more evidence. There’s absolutely nothing conclusive in this video.
Also … priorities … Why are you outraged about this specifically? There are plenty of animals including humans being abused off camera out there by non-celebrities. Venting online is one thing, but your account seems primarily dedicated to this subject.
I still despise the notion of political influencers, but this is what upsets you? Really? There is too much ragebait – real or not – on the internet for it to make sense to me that this would be what you care about. Does all suffering need to be: specifically on camera; solely with an animal you selectively empathize with; and exclusively that of the one leftist influencer I’ve ever seen mentioned in corporate owned media?
No, I refuse to let this matter take up any of my headspace. Maybe I will donate to a local animal shelter instead. Use my energy for that.
I still despise the notion of political influencers, but this is what upsets you? Really?
It’s a perfect storm of things for me to get irritated about: Politics, plus someone being mean to some other entity that can’t fight back, plus people in internet comments saying things to me that are objectively wrong. It’s like a flag to a bull.
What a hypocrite. In the end this isn’t some kind of moral, principled stand, it’s just autism.
