As Twitter ditches its iconic branding in favor of owner Elon Musk's favorite letter "X," its open source competitor Mastodon is once again seeing usage numbers soar.
It’s not just lemmy that’s benefiting from Elon Musk.
This is a huge thing about the fediverse.
Users are used to being told what they want (algorithms) without any choice (centralised and only platform).
Whereas Lemmy and Mastodon require users to curate their stuff.
Perhaps some “meta fedi” sites would be useful. Things that generate lists of hashtags, instances and users “shake up” your experience
I found fishing for (and following) hashtags on Mastodon effective but Mastodon was also in much better shape to receive the waves of Twitter exoduses.
Lemmy lacks effective tools to organize a feed. I think many people recreated their favorite subreddits as communities but the userbase was too small to support them. Being able to create “multi-reddits” to group related micro-communities together to help mitigate the ghost town feeling as you raise the probably of at least one of them having something new to talk about.
Re-reading your post before I hit submit… I think I am just repeating what you are saying!
What I was saying:
I think the solution is “meta instances” or “meta communities” or “meta aggregators”.
A community or instance that aggregates the smaller communities.
And some way for smaller communities to submit content to that aggregator.
Like, I’m browsing my instance’s “all”. I find a good meme that suits my “programming memes” interest. So, I submit that post to the aggregator.
Essentially like cross posting, but a community of all crossposts and everything is treated like it’s on the original instance.
But as a primary feature. Where it’s easy to “submit to aggregate subscription” or whatever.
But then we would get every instance with their own meta-community, and it’s just a complication on top of communities and instances.
Putting a list of similar instances and communities in the sidebar would help a ton. Yes, there is a list of communities on every instance, but I’m not scrolling through a hundred rows trying to determine which I might like based on the names.
I’d love to see more smaller communities, tho.
But, how to group communities?
Geographically is one way, if you want local news and banter.
By interest is another, if you want YouTube news/content but not Twitch news/content. Or just more generally “streaming content”?
It is an impossible problem to solve easily.
And the risk of any instance suddenly going offline is very real. Which means, gravitating to a more technically adept or well funded instance makes sense.
I feel like the current federation separation system isn’t going to work. Or it’s going to be “good enough” for a good while, but not really click.
Idk if separating “user instances” and “content instances” is better. Then some sort of “meta instances” that everyone actually interacts with.
Content instances can more specialise in the content they provide.
User instances specialise is currating their users.
And meta instances link users to content.
But then, that massively overcomplicates things. And who is going to want to run a user instance? Or a meta instance? Or a content instance? All require investment and work.
I think that would have been a healthier start, to focus attention and generate some liveliness, but people’s preconceived notion is “Reddit” so that’s where community creation went.
Reddit also used to be that way. FFS I think the best time on the Internet was that when we were all on traditional phpBB-style forums, where there was no “algorithm” at all (though I admit the concept doesn’t scale well and they too have their structural problems).
This was a pretty amazing feature of everyone using Reddit. Lemmy isnt close to that for specific interests yet. League of Legends was one of the biggest subreddits, but any league community here is basically dead.
It’s a lot harder to get critical mass for Lemmy than it is for Mastodon. And Mastodon migration hasn’t been what I think it should be. A good, reliable, large instance on .com or .net domain would probably go a long way for adoption.
Mozilla is supposedly releasing https://mozilla.social Mastodon instance I’m early 2023. Any day now… But it’s understandable if they want to wait for some event to open.
This is a huge thing about the fediverse.
Users are used to being told what they want (algorithms) without any choice (centralised and only platform).
Whereas Lemmy and Mastodon require users to curate their stuff.
Perhaps some “meta fedi” sites would be useful. Things that generate lists of hashtags, instances and users “shake up” your experience
I found fishing for (and following) hashtags on Mastodon effective but Mastodon was also in much better shape to receive the waves of Twitter exoduses.
Lemmy lacks effective tools to organize a feed. I think many people recreated their favorite subreddits as communities but the userbase was too small to support them. Being able to create “multi-reddits” to group related micro-communities together to help mitigate the ghost town feeling as you raise the probably of at least one of them having something new to talk about.
Re-reading your post before I hit submit… I think I am just repeating what you are saying!
What I was saying:
I think the solution is “meta instances” or “meta communities” or “meta aggregators”.
A community or instance that aggregates the smaller communities.
And some way for smaller communities to submit content to that aggregator.
Like, I’m browsing my instance’s “all”. I find a good meme that suits my “programming memes” interest. So, I submit that post to the aggregator.
Essentially like cross posting, but a community of all crossposts and everything is treated like it’s on the original instance.
But as a primary feature. Where it’s easy to “submit to aggregate subscription” or whatever.
But then we would get every instance with their own meta-community, and it’s just a complication on top of communities and instances.
Putting a list of similar instances and communities in the sidebar would help a ton. Yes, there is a list of communities on every instance, but I’m not scrolling through a hundred rows trying to determine which I might like based on the names.
The trick is to have meta-meta-communities to aggregate the aggregators :)
I think naturally, Lemmy will gravitate to fewer, more generalized communities instead of many little hyper-specialized ones.
I’d love to see more smaller communities, tho. But, how to group communities?
Geographically is one way, if you want local news and banter.
By interest is another, if you want YouTube news/content but not Twitch news/content. Or just more generally “streaming content”?
It is an impossible problem to solve easily.
And the risk of any instance suddenly going offline is very real. Which means, gravitating to a more technically adept or well funded instance makes sense.
I feel like the current federation separation system isn’t going to work. Or it’s going to be “good enough” for a good while, but not really click.
Idk if separating “user instances” and “content instances” is better. Then some sort of “meta instances” that everyone actually interacts with.
Content instances can more specialise in the content they provide.
User instances specialise is currating their users.
And meta instances link users to content.
But then, that massively overcomplicates things. And who is going to want to run a user instance? Or a meta instance? Or a content instance? All require investment and work.
I think that would have been a healthier start, to focus attention and generate some liveliness, but people’s preconceived notion is “Reddit” so that’s where community creation went.
Curation is the term. The question is how our doomscrolling is curated. Go to the big sites, they curate for engagement, and thus ragebait.
Here, maybe we need some communities that have people curating in a more positive direction…
Reddit also used to be that way. FFS I think the best time on the Internet was that when we were all on traditional phpBB-style forums, where there was no “algorithm” at all (though I admit the concept doesn’t scale well and they too have their structural problems).
God i miss traditional forums
Have you seen the maple syrup meme video? (Sorry for the TikTok link.)
https://www.tiktok.com/@reddit/video/7231589390072597806
This was a pretty amazing feature of everyone using Reddit. Lemmy isnt close to that for specific interests yet. League of Legends was one of the biggest subreddits, but any league community here is basically dead.
It’s a lot harder to get critical mass for Lemmy than it is for Mastodon. And Mastodon migration hasn’t been what I think it should be. A good, reliable, large instance on .com or .net domain would probably go a long way for adoption.
Mozilla is supposedly releasing https://mozilla.social Mastodon instance I’m early 2023. Any day now… But it’s understandable if they want to wait for some event to open.