You could “prove” any long running show is misogynistic or racist by combing through it and taking things out of context.
You really should be more be careful of youtube videos. Many of them just invent controversy for clicks. A silly TV sitcom is far less likely to propagandize you than a youtube video.
It seemed from the video that they were including the context. Do you counter examples of how bbt especially respects women? Or mitigating context for the examples in the video?
Several other people here mentioned the same thing. You’ll need to provide some examples to show your point.
Since it’s apparently fine to demand things from strangers on the internet, you will need to provide me payment for the research you’re asking me to do to provide you with these examples.
Or not. You can go on living your life believing whatever random video pops up on your youtube recommended list without ever questioning it. Why would you think I should care if you believe in weird shit? The onus on you to question the content you get on the internet, not on other people to debunk every single video an algorithm shoves in your face.
I’m just saying to believe you you need to provide evidence. I’m much less likely to believe a relatively low effort comment than a well produced video essay.
I did question the content of the video. I hadn’t seen much the channel, so I was skeptical. But the examples they gave were convincing, the comments reaffirmed what was being said, and it lined up with what I remembered about the show. There are certainly sensational YouTube channels with click bate that thrive on controversy. But the tone of this channel seemed very different from those, very academic and professional.
Do you think I should just give the show the benefit of the doubt because it’s on TV rather than YouTube? I don’t.
Why do you give youtube the benefit of the doubt? You believe youtube to be a reliable source of information?
BBT is a popular TV show, I’m certain you are capable of finding it on a streaming service somewhere. If not there is the possibility of pirating it. You are capable of watching the show yourself to verify the claims coming from youtube. Or you could trust people who have seen enough episodes that tell you the youtbue video is false.
Or you can go on being a “I did my own research on youtube” type of person. I’m not your mom, do what you want to do.
I gave neither the benefit of the doubt. The argument won me over with convincing evidence from the show. I have absolutely no interest in watching sitcoms, especially probably one of the worst.
Also, you admitted the first season was misogynistic. Even if the latter ones weren’t as much, or even at all, wouldn’t the warning against the show still be valid?
My father in law said the same thing about Rush Limbaugh after he died. He said that Rush had a good heart and people were just using cherry picked examples of his bad behavior. The problem is that it’s just such casual misogyny and the constant portrayal by media that nerds must be given a chance with attractive women despite any flaws the nerd has or lack of attraction to the nerd.
Yeah and Bill Maher said Justin Trudeau was a dictator because he called some protesters disgusting. He left out the part where the particular protesters he was referring to had Swastika flags.
So would you say the Bill Maher took Trudeau’s words out of context? If so you’re no different from your father in law. Therefore you’re a fan of Rush Limbaugh!
See how easy it is to take things out of context and use specious logic to form a narrative about anything?
This is why critical thinking is important. The point Justin Trudeau was making was the Nazis are disgusting, therefore Bill Maher was taking things out of context. The point of Rush Limbaugh was right wing grifting, so him saying shitty things isn’t out of context.
Applying even more critical thinking, how are fictional stories different from political commentators? Stories often have character arcs where a character starts out as being wrong, they learn something, improve themselves and are no longer wrong. So you can easily make many stories appear to bad in a political context by giving examples from the earlier part of a story (where the character was wrong) and leave out the part of the story where the character learned they were wrong and why.
Political critiques of works of fiction are fertile grounds for grifters to create false narratives. They should always be taken with a grain of salt. Did you see Ben Shapiro’s critique of the Barbie Movie? Really convincing if you never saw the movie.
I haven’t watch all of BBT but I’ve seen enough that I can tell you that in the beginning they were losers with misogynistic tendencies. Women are disgusted by them and rightfully so. Over the course of the show they learn to respect women and because of this they are able to form healthy relationships. Yup, you can pick out examples of misogyny, but how do you tell a story about misogyny being bad if you cannot portray misogynistic tendencies out of fear of “video essays” taking it out of context to create a false narrative?
Pop Culture Detective is a channel with videos that take months for him to painstakingly write and produce. They are not lazy cherry picked videos for clicks and likes. He is a very intelligent, thoughtful, thought provoking, detailed, kind, and well read man who cares a lot about the way we portray many toxic attitudes in video media, and in particular, toxic masculinity.
The writing of BBT is far more lazy and unintelligent than the videos made by Pop Culture Detective. He cares about context, and he cares about accuracy.
I’ll watch your video after you’ve watch BBT an analyzed it yourself. Otherwise what’s the point of discussing anything with you rather than whoever made the video you linked?
I haven’t watched the entirely of BBT, but I’ve seen enough episodes to know the thesis of the video that you’re repeating (without doing any verification yourself) is false.
Are you paid by the person that made the video? Why do you feel the need to defend something that’s discussing something you’re unfamiliar with? We aren’t talking about some arcane secret scrolls that are locked away under guard that only a few are allowed to view. It’s a popular TV show that you could watch yourself to check whether the video is correct. Why won’t you do this? Why do you trust a random youtube video that has a profit motive in promoting a false narrative over people that have actually looked at the source material under discussion?
Why do you feel the need to defend something that’s discussing something you’re unfamiliar with?
Because it’s harmful. The whole question is whether you should watch it, and the answer seems to be no. Why would I dedicate tens of hours of my life just to be able to say with complete confidence that you shouldn’t watch it? I’m okay only dedicating half an hour for medium confidence that you shouldn’t watch it, or at least you should be careful about it’s misogynistic messaging.
Why the fuck would I spend like a hundred hours to a show that I already know is objectively bad? I’m gonna actually die one day, I’m not wasting my life on a shitty show I already know I don’t like based off the two episodes I have seen because someone on the internet is butthurt that people are pointing out their fav show is misogynistic, homophobic, and shitty.
You want to know who watched it in it’s entirety though? Pop culture detective, 3 times.
I haven’t watched the video yet, but it always strikes me as odd when people call this show as a whole misogynistic.
The first season definitely was though, but the other 9 seasons constantly made fun of the male “nerds” and depicted the women as superior in almost every joke.
As I expected, a lot of the scenes where from Season 1 and/or taken out of context.
After watching the video I’d still argue that calling a show misogynistic that has has 90% misandristic jokes and 10% misogynistic jokes is misleading at best. Yes the show definitely has misogynistic jokes in it, but singling out that aspect of such a train wreck of a show only harms any real discussion about the topic.
Watch out for the misogyny though. I haven’t seen much myself to judge, but this video essay makes a pretty good case. Just be careful.
https://youtu.be/X3-hOigoxHs
Basically the entire show boils down to “they’re bigots but it’s funny because they are nerds who are supposedly also oppressed by society”
And the transphobia!
You could “prove” any long running show is misogynistic or racist by combing through it and taking things out of context.
You really should be more be careful of youtube videos. Many of them just invent controversy for clicks. A silly TV sitcom is far less likely to propagandize you than a youtube video.
It seemed from the video that they were including the context. Do you counter examples of how bbt especially respects women? Or mitigating context for the examples in the video?
Several other people here mentioned the same thing. You’ll need to provide some examples to show your point.
Since it’s apparently fine to demand things from strangers on the internet, you will need to provide me payment for the research you’re asking me to do to provide you with these examples.
Or not. You can go on living your life believing whatever random video pops up on your youtube recommended list without ever questioning it. Why would you think I should care if you believe in weird shit? The onus on you to question the content you get on the internet, not on other people to debunk every single video an algorithm shoves in your face.
I’m just saying to believe you you need to provide evidence. I’m much less likely to believe a relatively low effort comment than a well produced video essay.
I did question the content of the video. I hadn’t seen much the channel, so I was skeptical. But the examples they gave were convincing, the comments reaffirmed what was being said, and it lined up with what I remembered about the show. There are certainly sensational YouTube channels with click bate that thrive on controversy. But the tone of this channel seemed very different from those, very academic and professional.
Do you think I should just give the show the benefit of the doubt because it’s on TV rather than YouTube? I don’t.
Why do you give youtube the benefit of the doubt? You believe youtube to be a reliable source of information?
BBT is a popular TV show, I’m certain you are capable of finding it on a streaming service somewhere. If not there is the possibility of pirating it. You are capable of watching the show yourself to verify the claims coming from youtube. Or you could trust people who have seen enough episodes that tell you the youtbue video is false.
Or you can go on being a “I did my own research on youtube” type of person. I’m not your mom, do what you want to do.
I gave neither the benefit of the doubt. The argument won me over with convincing evidence from the show. I have absolutely no interest in watching sitcoms, especially probably one of the worst.
Also, you admitted the first season was misogynistic. Even if the latter ones weren’t as much, or even at all, wouldn’t the warning against the show still be valid?
My father in law said the same thing about Rush Limbaugh after he died. He said that Rush had a good heart and people were just using cherry picked examples of his bad behavior. The problem is that it’s just such casual misogyny and the constant portrayal by media that nerds must be given a chance with attractive women despite any flaws the nerd has or lack of attraction to the nerd.
Yeah and Bill Maher said Justin Trudeau was a dictator because he called some protesters disgusting. He left out the part where the particular protesters he was referring to had Swastika flags.
So would you say the Bill Maher took Trudeau’s words out of context? If so you’re no different from your father in law. Therefore you’re a fan of Rush Limbaugh!
See how easy it is to take things out of context and use specious logic to form a narrative about anything?
This is why critical thinking is important. The point Justin Trudeau was making was the Nazis are disgusting, therefore Bill Maher was taking things out of context. The point of Rush Limbaugh was right wing grifting, so him saying shitty things isn’t out of context.
Applying even more critical thinking, how are fictional stories different from political commentators? Stories often have character arcs where a character starts out as being wrong, they learn something, improve themselves and are no longer wrong. So you can easily make many stories appear to bad in a political context by giving examples from the earlier part of a story (where the character was wrong) and leave out the part of the story where the character learned they were wrong and why.
Political critiques of works of fiction are fertile grounds for grifters to create false narratives. They should always be taken with a grain of salt. Did you see Ben Shapiro’s critique of the Barbie Movie? Really convincing if you never saw the movie.
I haven’t watch all of BBT but I’ve seen enough that I can tell you that in the beginning they were losers with misogynistic tendencies. Women are disgusted by them and rightfully so. Over the course of the show they learn to respect women and because of this they are able to form healthy relationships. Yup, you can pick out examples of misogyny, but how do you tell a story about misogyny being bad if you cannot portray misogynistic tendencies out of fear of “video essays” taking it out of context to create a false narrative?
You didn’t watch the video did you?
Pop Culture Detective is a channel with videos that take months for him to painstakingly write and produce. They are not lazy cherry picked videos for clicks and likes. He is a very intelligent, thoughtful, thought provoking, detailed, kind, and well read man who cares a lot about the way we portray many toxic attitudes in video media, and in particular, toxic masculinity.
The writing of BBT is far more lazy and unintelligent than the videos made by Pop Culture Detective. He cares about context, and he cares about accuracy.
Did you watch the entirety of BBT?
I’ll watch your video after you’ve watch BBT an analyzed it yourself. Otherwise what’s the point of discussing anything with you rather than whoever made the video you linked?
I haven’t watched the entirely of BBT, but I’ve seen enough episodes to know the thesis of the video that you’re repeating (without doing any verification yourself) is false.
Are you paid by the person that made the video? Why do you feel the need to defend something that’s discussing something you’re unfamiliar with? We aren’t talking about some arcane secret scrolls that are locked away under guard that only a few are allowed to view. It’s a popular TV show that you could watch yourself to check whether the video is correct. Why won’t you do this? Why do you trust a random youtube video that has a profit motive in promoting a false narrative over people that have actually looked at the source material under discussion?
Because it’s harmful. The whole question is whether you should watch it, and the answer seems to be no. Why would I dedicate tens of hours of my life just to be able to say with complete confidence that you shouldn’t watch it? I’m okay only dedicating half an hour for medium confidence that you shouldn’t watch it, or at least you should be careful about it’s misogynistic messaging.
Why the fuck would I spend like a hundred hours to a show that I already know is objectively bad? I’m gonna actually die one day, I’m not wasting my life on a shitty show I already know I don’t like based off the two episodes I have seen because someone on the internet is butthurt that people are pointing out their fav show is misogynistic, homophobic, and shitty.
You want to know who watched it in it’s entirety though? Pop culture detective, 3 times.
I haven’t watched the video yet, but it always strikes me as odd when people call this show as a whole misogynistic.
The first season definitely was though, but the other 9 seasons constantly made fun of the male “nerds” and depicted the women as superior in almost every joke.
You should watch it
As I expected, a lot of the scenes where from Season 1 and/or taken out of context.
After watching the video I’d still argue that calling a show misogynistic that has has 90% misandristic jokes and 10% misogynistic jokes is misleading at best. Yes the show definitely has misogynistic jokes in it, but singling out that aspect of such a train wreck of a show only harms any real discussion about the topic.