If you go around yelling at people to put down the hamburger, people are gonna tell you to mind your own business. That’s why people think vegans are insufferable. The ones who don’t do this, you never know they’re vegans because they mind their own business. Really fucks with the numbers, so I’ll clarify and say that someone who makes it a point to steer a conversation to how they’re vegan is a yellow flag. Veganism itself is not at all a problem
I welcome a world in which factory farms are gone. The amount of actual cruelty needed to sustain our population and capitalist demand is insane and depressing, but we are nowhere near winning that fight with boycotting animal products, and we never will. It won’t make a difference. The improvement of substitute meat with systemic and legislative change will do that, and that’s what we need to push for
So yeah, I’m not offended because a vegan told me not to eat a hamburger. I’m annoyed because a vegan went out of their way to steer the conversation towards their own moral superiority
So I’ll apologize for having reacted so defensively, but I don’t think that eating meat and having empathy for animals is mutually exclusive. It sure just seemed to me like you were telling me that veganism should be a green flag for me, and it just really isn’t. It’s whatever. If I find out a person is a vegan, I’m not gonna be more attracted to them; I’ll just now know not to offer them a chicken nugget
Alright well my point is nobody asked you. Without massive legislative and systemic changes, and improvements on meat substitutes, you’ll never end factory farms. Not enough people will ever care to put down the hamburger, no matter how annoying you are about it, in order for a consumer’s wallet vote to make a difference in the industry. You can sit up there on your high horse, talking about how only vegans actually have empathy, while people roll their eyes at you fulfilling the stereotypes that discredit veganism. By all means, be a vegan. I fully support that. I even encourage it, but that is a lifestyle choice you make for yourself. I don’t believe the efforts of veganism are at all effective, and capitalism, horrendous though it is, has successfully alienated me from my food source that I am able to still have empathy and love for animals while consuming meat. The cow I eat was gonna die anyway
You’re not some moral paragon; You’re proving exactly why veganism is a yellow flag for me
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There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. It sucks, but we all have to pick and choose what parts of the system to support and which parts to avoid. You can make your own goddamned shoes if you feel so morally superior to avoid paying for child labor. Maybe avoid using your phone or a computer to grandstand so you stop supporting the exploitative labor that goes into mining the materials that make them
what you dont seem to grasp is that there is a way to be yourself (gay) or have your opinions (you beeing vegan) without beeing an asshole about it.
I think people made it clear here that they werent interested in changing their opinions on eating animal(products), yet you continue to berate them. Do you realize that this causes the people you are talking to to get defensive, and less likely to change their opinion?
ah yes, I went to pride because I want queer people to be quiet, sure.
beeing gay and proud of it is absolutely no problem. „oh, you dont want to suck my dick, youre homophobic“ is a problem.
I have absolutely zero issues with vegans in real life. The ones I have met and talked to are reasonable people. people who are happy you reduce consumption because you dont want to go all the way.
Online its a lot more radicalized. you can see this even here. do you think comments telling me to stop killing animals for meat do any good? quite the opposite. I think that person is unreasonable, doesnt have good discussion skills and quite frankly I think they are a dick for not engaging in the conversation.
they arent helping their cause. societal change happens gradually, and the conversation also needs to be gradual, otherwise you risk stepping on peoples toes, and that just ends up with people wanting to distance themselves from your movement.
edit: also I never said be quiet, I said dont be a dick about it
By “unnecessary” I mean unless you’re going to die without killing an animal, then you don’t need to kill animals (including supporting it by eating animal products). It’s really that simple.
it’s not “really that simple,” though. whether i buy a burger or not, the cow is already dead, and another one will be killed today.
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If you go around yelling at people to put down the hamburger, people are gonna tell you to mind your own business. That’s why people think vegans are insufferable. The ones who don’t do this, you never know they’re vegans because they mind their own business. Really fucks with the numbers, so I’ll clarify and say that someone who makes it a point to steer a conversation to how they’re vegan is a yellow flag. Veganism itself is not at all a problem
I welcome a world in which factory farms are gone. The amount of actual cruelty needed to sustain our population and capitalist demand is insane and depressing, but we are nowhere near winning that fight with boycotting animal products, and we never will. It won’t make a difference. The improvement of substitute meat with systemic and legislative change will do that, and that’s what we need to push for
So yeah, I’m not offended because a vegan told me not to eat a hamburger. I’m annoyed because a vegan went out of their way to steer the conversation towards their own moral superiority
So I’ll apologize for having reacted so defensively, but I don’t think that eating meat and having empathy for animals is mutually exclusive. It sure just seemed to me like you were telling me that veganism should be a green flag for me, and it just really isn’t. It’s whatever. If I find out a person is a vegan, I’m not gonna be more attracted to them; I’ll just now know not to offer them a chicken nugget
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Alright well my point is nobody asked you. Without massive legislative and systemic changes, and improvements on meat substitutes, you’ll never end factory farms. Not enough people will ever care to put down the hamburger, no matter how annoying you are about it, in order for a consumer’s wallet vote to make a difference in the industry. You can sit up there on your high horse, talking about how only vegans actually have empathy, while people roll their eyes at you fulfilling the stereotypes that discredit veganism. By all means, be a vegan. I fully support that. I even encourage it, but that is a lifestyle choice you make for yourself. I don’t believe the efforts of veganism are at all effective, and capitalism, horrendous though it is, has successfully alienated me from my food source that I am able to still have empathy and love for animals while consuming meat. The cow I eat was gonna die anyway
You’re not some moral paragon; You’re proving exactly why veganism is a yellow flag for me
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Stop 👏 pretending 👏 you’re 👏 making 👏 a 👏 difference
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. It sucks, but we all have to pick and choose what parts of the system to support and which parts to avoid. You can make your own goddamned shoes if you feel so morally superior to avoid paying for child labor. Maybe avoid using your phone or a computer to grandstand so you stop supporting the exploitative labor that goes into mining the materials that make them
and this is why its a yellow flag. it can be a green one, or on your case, a red one.
Raising the issue isnt the problem. beeing a pretentious dick about it is.
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man, at this point all I can do is laugh at your lack of skill handling disagreements
That seems to illustrate the point that LadyLikesSpiders was making – quite nicely.
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no one supports animal abuse.
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hardly anyone does that.
what you dont seem to grasp is that there is a way to be yourself (gay) or have your opinions (you beeing vegan) without beeing an asshole about it.
I think people made it clear here that they werent interested in changing their opinions on eating animal(products), yet you continue to berate them. Do you realize that this causes the people you are talking to to get defensive, and less likely to change their opinion?
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thats one way to proove my point lol
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ah yes, I went to pride because I want queer people to be quiet, sure.
beeing gay and proud of it is absolutely no problem. „oh, you dont want to suck my dick, youre homophobic“ is a problem.
I have absolutely zero issues with vegans in real life. The ones I have met and talked to are reasonable people. people who are happy you reduce consumption because you dont want to go all the way.
Online its a lot more radicalized. you can see this even here. do you think comments telling me to stop killing animals for meat do any good? quite the opposite. I think that person is unreasonable, doesnt have good discussion skills and quite frankly I think they are a dick for not engaging in the conversation.
they arent helping their cause. societal change happens gradually, and the conversation also needs to be gradual, otherwise you risk stepping on peoples toes, and that just ends up with people wanting to distance themselves from your movement.
edit: also I never said be quiet, I said dont be a dick about it
it’s not “really that simple,” though. whether i buy a burger or not, the cow is already dead, and another one will be killed today.
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did you try that? lots of people have stopped “buying dead animals” and more are killed year-over-year every year.
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i have bookmarks for information about this.