Nah, weather balloons can get really really high. The problem here is, the atmosphere doesn’t “end” it just gets thinner and thinner. You would still spin with the earth, just a bit slower.
The problem here has almost nothing to do with the atmosphere and nearly everything to do with the massive amount of energy required to cancel out the inertia of already moving at about 1000MPH radially relative to the center of the earth, assuming anon launches his magic balloon from the equator. The kind of energy that takes, oh IDK, a fucking rocket.
In other words, if you could actually float above the atmosphere somehow, you wouldn’t just stop relative to the surface of the planet because it’s not the air current that carries you along, but the fact that you started off moving along with the earth’s rotation and did nothing to slow down.
The problem is the atmosphere more or less spins with the planet.
Ignore winds for a second, and just imagine the hot air balloon going up. The balloon goes up because the density of the balloon is lower than the air it’s displacing. At some height that will no longer be true, and the density of the balloon will be the same as the atmosphere, at that point the balloon can’t go any higher. Because of that, the balloon will always be in a fairly dense part of the atmosphere.
So, if it weren’t for the winds, the balloon would just rotate with the planet. But, the balloon will be caught in the wind. If it takes off from North America or Western Europe, it’s most likely going to end up in a westerly trade wind. If it’s going up from South America or Africa the main trade winds would be headed east. Some of these would be hurricane force winds at the surface, but they’re still much slower than a jet. So, a balloon could go around the globe, but it would take 3-4x as long as a jet to go the same distance.
These trade winds are how the Chinese spy balloon was launched from China but was able to float over the USA. If a balloon can go up and down in the atmosphere, it can often be directed pretty well towards some specific spot because there’s often a wind at some height going the direction needed.
Also, to address the “inventor’s” idea that a balloon in the stratosphere would “stay in one place”, even if you could completely leave the atmosphere you wouldn’t stay in one place. Anything going up from the surface would have a certain amount of angular momentum due to the rotation of the earth. At the surface this is 460 meters per second at the equator, or approx 1000 miles per hour. So, if you wanted to not rotate with the earth, you’d have to accelerate to 1000 miles per hour relative to the surface just to be stationary with respect to something outside the planet, like say the sun. You can do this in a jet. In fact, if you take a jet going west, sometimes you end up going more or less the same rotational speed of the planet, just the opposite direction. This can be fun when you take off at 9am, fly for hours, then land at 9am. It gives you pretty brutal jet lag though.
Orbit doesn’t really come into it. They’re talking about a balloon in the stratosphere. But, if you wanted to go into orbit, to be in orbit you have to accelerate sideways. Whether you’re going east to west, west to east or north to south orbit has nothing to do with the rotation of the earth, only its mass. To reach low earth orbit you’d have to get to about 8 km / second, or about 20x as fast as the rotation of the earth. This is what most of the rocket fuel is used for when a rocket puts something into orbit.
In fact, the scenario describes is one where you could never be in orbit. If you’re in a fixed place with the earth rotating under you, your orbital velocity is zero, and there’s no orbit where that’s possible.
Nah, weather balloons can get really really high. The problem here is, the atmosphere doesn’t “end” it just gets thinner and thinner. You would still spin with the earth, just a bit slower.
Okay so then like, 14 hours.
I think it would probably be more like several days.
And also in the opposite direction to what OP is thinking.
Op homie invented space travel
The problem here has almost nothing to do with the atmosphere and nearly everything to do with the massive amount of energy required to cancel out the inertia of already moving at about 1000MPH radially relative to the center of the earth, assuming anon launches his magic balloon from the equator. The kind of energy that takes, oh IDK, a fucking rocket.
In other words, if you could actually float above the atmosphere somehow, you wouldn’t just stop relative to the surface of the planet because it’s not the air current that carries you along, but the fact that you started off moving along with the earth’s rotation and did nothing to slow down.
Well that’s why they’re going really high up, so the earth rotates beneath them
The problem is the atmosphere more or less spins with the planet.
Ignore winds for a second, and just imagine the hot air balloon going up. The balloon goes up because the density of the balloon is lower than the air it’s displacing. At some height that will no longer be true, and the density of the balloon will be the same as the atmosphere, at that point the balloon can’t go any higher. Because of that, the balloon will always be in a fairly dense part of the atmosphere.
So, if it weren’t for the winds, the balloon would just rotate with the planet. But, the balloon will be caught in the wind. If it takes off from North America or Western Europe, it’s most likely going to end up in a westerly trade wind. If it’s going up from South America or Africa the main trade winds would be headed east. Some of these would be hurricane force winds at the surface, but they’re still much slower than a jet. So, a balloon could go around the globe, but it would take 3-4x as long as a jet to go the same distance.
These trade winds are how the Chinese spy balloon was launched from China but was able to float over the USA. If a balloon can go up and down in the atmosphere, it can often be directed pretty well towards some specific spot because there’s often a wind at some height going the direction needed.
Also, to address the “inventor’s” idea that a balloon in the stratosphere would “stay in one place”, even if you could completely leave the atmosphere you wouldn’t stay in one place. Anything going up from the surface would have a certain amount of angular momentum due to the rotation of the earth. At the surface this is 460 meters per second at the equator, or approx 1000 miles per hour. So, if you wanted to not rotate with the earth, you’d have to accelerate to 1000 miles per hour relative to the surface just to be stationary with respect to something outside the planet, like say the sun. You can do this in a jet. In fact, if you take a jet going west, sometimes you end up going more or less the same rotational speed of the planet, just the opposite direction. This can be fun when you take off at 9am, fly for hours, then land at 9am. It gives you pretty brutal jet lag though.
Orbit doesn’t really come into it. They’re talking about a balloon in the stratosphere. But, if you wanted to go into orbit, to be in orbit you have to accelerate sideways. Whether you’re going east to west, west to east or north to south orbit has nothing to do with the rotation of the earth, only its mass. To reach low earth orbit you’d have to get to about 8 km / second, or about 20x as fast as the rotation of the earth. This is what most of the rocket fuel is used for when a rocket puts something into orbit.
In fact, the scenario describes is one where you could never be in orbit. If you’re in a fixed place with the earth rotating under you, your orbital velocity is zero, and there’s no orbit where that’s possible.