FAQ

Q: why not organize and stop treating the bus as a legitimate entity? why aren’t you working to stop the bus?

A: do both. cut the fuel line. break windows. put oatmeal in the gas tank. but maybe your efforts don’t succeed this election cycle. and if so don’t fucking throw away your vote if it can help your neighbors fucking survive. “harm reduction” is not a political strategy for action. it is a last minute, end of the line decision to save lives, after all other resources have been exhausted.

        • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
          17·
          8 months ago

          I was very careful to avoid actual violence in my language. You were the one that equated it to fascism, which I assume you mean is the cliff driver.

          Of course stopping the bus isn’t violent, and is not at all equivalent to the cliff driver.

        • Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          4·
          8 months ago

          So you’re saying that you would condemn the killing of Donald Trump if he gets into power and enacts his dictature?

          • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
            5·
            8 months ago

            I’m the smash the bus person, and I actually would. The truth is he’s only marginally worse than Joe in most of the ways that matter, and assassinations always lead to much worse reactions. Trump isn’t the problem, the apparatus that enables him is.

            The solution is to build alternatives that remove people’s dependence on the state and capital, so the president matters less. That’s what I mean by smashing the bus. I never said to kill the driver, because his mates will kill you and stay in control.

    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
      18·
      8 months ago

      Oh because of the violence? Driving off a cliff is also violent behaviour, and with the bus as it is the cliff is inevitable, because the cliff drivers will always get back in. Also, the other guy isn’t the icecream guy. He’s the guy who promised to stop for icecream but doesn’t want to tell you if or how fast he plans to drive off the cliff. He’s open to debate on the issue, but he has a lot cliff driving friends and they often cast the deciding vote in cliff driving matters.

      They’re both getting us off the cliff, just one is being more coy and circumspect than the other.

      The only reason to vote for the less-immediate cliff driver is to give you more time to stop the bus.

      • Neato@ttrpg.networkEnglish
        8·
        8 months ago

        Let me know when you start the violence. It’s easy as fuck to sit behind your iphone calling others to die.

        • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
          8·
          8 months ago

          Coooool comeback.

          Even easier to sit behind your iPhone telling people to vote even though it will never solve our problems.

          And my theory of change is not actually violent - you’ll notice I didn’t advocate hurting anyone, just dismantling the machinery of violence. The other person called it equal to fascism, which I assume they equate to the cliff driver, so I took their assumption of violence as given, which I shouldn’t have. Stopping the bus is infinitely preferrable to driving it off the cliff.