U.S. District Court Chief Judge James E. Boasberg sentenced Easterday to 30 months in prison as well as 500 hours of community service, along with $2,000 in restitution.
All of those numbers should be higher.
Agreed but there is an important win here:
Isreal Easterday, 23, was arrested in Florida in December 2022 and was found guilty in October on several counts, including felony charges of civil disorder and assaulting officers.
No more gun ownership for him, nor voting rights (in most states). He’s removed himself from the most important parts of political discourse.
Something else I’m interested in seeing in the future is the sentence of a second conviction for some of these folks in the future when they inevitably decide to try some kind of insurrection again. What does sentencing look like for a two time insurrectionist?
What does sentencing look like for a two time insurrectionist?
There is no second failure. I’m pretty sure the pattern goes:
- Beer Hall putsch
- Light prison sentences and pardons
- Political minority take over
- Dismantle democracy
Look for step 3 on Jan 2025.
Do we need to look to Europe for a pattern when we experienced a Civil War right here at home?
No, but they aren’t looking at history for a pattern that matches current events. They are looking for current events to match to the historical pattern they already chose, which is Hitler’s rise to power.
No more gun ownership for him, nor voting rights
Yeah, I suspect the Venn diagram of “Convicted felons” and “Non-Firearm Owners” has a distressingly small overlap.
Much like “Has a lot of DUIs” and “Never drinks and drives”
Gun control advocacy is like a religion for some people.
No more gun ownership for him, nor voting rights (in most states). He’s removed himself from the most important parts of political discourse.
I agree with your sentiment, but neither of those matters to someone who a) doesn’t respect the results of an election and b) is OK with insurrection.
Sure it does. That future traffic stop where they would have gotten away with a misdemeanor speeding ticket now turns into a felony firearms charge in itself.
I suppose it could be describe as: their footprint for anonymity has drastically shrunk now. Any infraction under the law will be examined in microscopic detail not just by federal officials but even local law enforcement. Any consequence is now magnified 10 fold.
That’s a great point I wasn’t thinking it through.
It’s sounds good, but in practice we’ve seen that law enforcement, especially local ones, don’t enforce gun restrictions, if they even know about them.
The recent mass shooter in Maine could have easily been yellow flagged and had his guns removed, but police didn’t. And now the one deemed responsible for ignoring the warnings it’s running for a sheriff leadership position there.
And how many of the insurrectionists were actual current and former local law enforcement officers?
nor voting rights (in most states)
That matters less than you think.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/capitol-rioters-non-voters-invs/index.html
How am I not surprised?
“The election was stolen! Rigged! Sham!”
Did you vote?
“Uhhhh…no, the whole thing is rigged, why would I?”
Hoisted be his own retard.
babe wake up, a new bone-apple-tea just dropped
Normally I’m against removal of voting rights after a prison term is served, but I’ll gladly make an exception for violent insurrectionists.
If these were black people causing an insurrection, you can bet those numbers would be higher
If it was a black person assaulting a police officer you can beat they’d have been shot.
They asked for more.
The government sought 151 months — or more than 12.5 years — in federal prison for Easterday
Sure, but 2.5 years is very real time. Some people might be willing to risk doing similar crimes if they think they’ll only get a couple of months, but if they think they might get a couple of years that’s a very different thing and it might deter many of them
Yes, they should. It also won’t matter if Trump wins in November.
They said Easterday was homeschooled and “everything he knew was filtered through the lens of his parents” when he came to the Capitol. Easterday, they said, “plainly did not fully understand what the Confederate flag signified” and even Googled “what does the rebel flag represent” on the afternoon of Jan. 6.
Awesome parenting.
Imagine doing an insurrection, looking at the flags waving next to you, and wondering what the fuck ideology it is that you’re attacking cops over.
Future history students will spend many hours studying and evaluating this only to conclude that it meant almost nothing at all.
Which in itself will be an insight into how vacuous and pointless our culture was.
People also look at it as an example of how identifiable people are right now.
I think this is the majority of trump supporters. Just completely ignorant to what is happening and what the person they’re supporting stands for. All it took was a few lies for them to start an insurrection and they didn’t even bother fact checking before attacking the nation they claim to love.
I think so too. But the reason most of them are completely ignorant is because they are fear-addicted racists. None of them have bothered to check if Mexican “invaders” are “swarming” across the border carrying “sacks of fentanyl” or not. They are willing participants in their own brainwashing.
And people wonder why liberals look at Trump supporters like they are idiots. It’s because they are. Legit never met a Trump supporter I could use a word with more than three syllables in it.
Feeling cute, might overthrow democracy later.
I have. (IT has a perhaps not surprising amount of them). Usually at that point it isn’t stupidity, it’s a form of selfishness. Either they prioritize what they need and either don’t see or don’t care the harm (some small business owners) or they have a strong belief that they are right, and won’t acknowledge any other viewpoint. They can do good work in stuff they know, but may be insufferable if you’re trying to correct their way of doing things and they just think their way is better (our whole section of IT lost access to edit firewalls because one of our higher placed techs kept doing things his way and security kept having to fix it. I replaced him when he left). People who are skilled in one area also seem to think they’re automatically smart in others, like Ben Carson.
Back to the small business owners, Behind the Bastards has a couple of episodes starting with How Nice, Normal People made the Holocaust Possible. In it he discussed how many small business owners feared becoming destitute, and in that fear despite not needing the help fell for fascism in order to keep their place. I’ve met people who said they voted for Trump because they thought he’d be better for them as a business owner, and there was pressure from business owners during the pandemic too. These people aren’t necessarily idiots, but their priorities put themselves before the other.
So can we run the neglect lawsuits here like the Michigan parents? /s kinda
‘Isreal Easterday’
Isreal or istypo?
Fourth generation homeschooled with a bloodline as pure as the driven snow.
Fitting I think for dumb religious nuts to misspell Israel when naming their kids.
It’s going to be so surreal looking back at this in a few decades:
A crowd of phone-waving overweight cosplay nitwits from the internet taking over the headquarters of the most powerful nation on earth…
It makes me think of the vast numbers of brutal and battle-hardened rebels with AKs and rocket launchers, who have failed to storm their respective third-world governments, and the look that must have been on their faces when they saw this.
I mean usually the government doesn’t basically invite the rebels in, unless they are loyal to the old guy, and want him back in power.
Yeah, it was less “rebels staging a coup and imposing a junta” and more “Napoleon returning from exile with ease, because the government never bothered to remove his loyalists from positions of authority.”
Bingo. You said what I was thinking, in a much more eloquent way!
I think that’s going to be a much more accurate assessment of this coming election than anything else.
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Still makes me sick to think people idolize donald. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
As a kid I I remember naively wondering how anyone could possibly be proud to be of house Slytherin; that it was kind of unrealistic. Boy was I wrong…
Yeah there are a lot of Trump supporters who may be good people at heart but are utterly uneducated, uninformed, misinformed, and overall just lack the critical-thinking to see the end-result.
… But there are a lot of people who are plenty smart enough to know better and support him just the same. These people sicken me the most. But you know, the Putins and Bundys of the world walk among us. Sometimes they’re leaders; sometimes they’re just shitty used car salesmen posting comments on youtube.
Trump isn’t the first wannabe dictator. There are many dictators all over the world. It’s unfortunate our would be dictator is such a fucking clown but well suited for how America warps everything to some bizarre extreme.
Yes, there are shitty people everywhere you go but to come out for donald is really telling how ugly they are on the inside.
I’ve said before but I gotta hand it to Trump and GOP for making a modern dunce gap to identify these people. It has been a great filter.
I feel ya, take some time, then continue the fight to make things better for the next generations.
Flying the loser flag but still won a free place to stay an three meals a day.
He should have just followed the law!
They said that Easterday was home-schooled and that “everything he knew was filtered through the lens of his parents” when he went to the Capitol. Easterday, they said, “plainly did not fully understand what the Confederate flag signified” and even Googled “what does the rebel flag represent” on the afternoon of Jan. 6, 2021.
Home-schooling is abuse.
That seems like a pretty big omission. Hell, I’m from the South and I had a better idea of it in middle school.
A topic that hits close to home for me as I and my 3 siblings were homeschooled until college. 3 out of 4 of us turned into bleeding-heart libtards. All are doing well now.
Just to flip things around a bit, I perceive public schools who often look like prisons in my area and whose 1:15-25 teacher-student ratio and where peer-pressure and blind-leading-the-blind rules tends to be a bit abusive in itself. To that end, I’m willing to bed by proportionality there are less “school shooters” or suicides produced from homeschooling than there are from public school.
But ultimately I think it comes down to pointing the finger at the wrong thing; you see, it’s not homeschooling, it’s religious extremism. Partition out secular homeschooling and there’s quite a difference. Even that said, my mom placed such a high importance on empathy and critical-thinking that my entire family reasoned ourselves out of the religious indoctrination bubble and even my parents flipped from right to left.
And if academics are of concern, it should be noted that homeschooled tend to either meet or out-pace the median publicly-schooled student.
Confirmation bias is also at play, here. Since most people can’t relate to homeschooling and only know of public school, it’s easy to point to it as a problem — similarly to how out of touch parents point to violent video-games. The bad apples are thus often highlighted in news articles, but nobody ever points to the fact that 9/10 of the other Jan 6’ers were most assuredly public schooled.
My daughter is in online school, which is like homeschooling, except it’s an actual accredited state school with real teachers giving live video lessons during the day, although I still have to stay home with her to help her with assignments and keep her on track. She is not religious, we are anything but right-wing. We took her out of school because she’s a unique sort of kid and those sorts of kids get bullied. She was so severely bullied that even the bullied kids bullied her. She was having thoughts of self-harm.
Now she has much more self-esteem, her grades are better than they have ever been, and she actually has more friends now than she did when she was in public school. We even have a teen homeschool/online school social group that meets once or twice a week.
There are still bad days, but overall, she’s doing really well and this has been a life-changer for her.
I wouldn’t recommend it for every kid out there, but if I had the option when I was her age, I would have jumped at the chance.
This is similar to how my mom began homeschooling. My oldest sister was being bullied at school and my mom took her out for her own safety. At the time we were religious, but not particularly fundamentalist.
With internet resources, libraries, and these state-sponsored cyber-schooling programs, you can find the niche that is appropriate for your kid and do it in a way that doesn’t involve right-wing nut job indoctrination as you prove. If people want to have some sort of oversight to ensure we don’t churn out Duggars or Turpin kids, then I’m okay with that so long as there is flexibility in the curriculum to specialize to your child’s needs & interests.
You make a lot of blanket statements without having any actual data to back any of it up. Home schooling CAN be a very positive experience, but it can also be a dumpster fire with little or no oversight. The truth is that we have very little data about the academic performance or even welfare of home-schooled children in the US because in many states they aren’t required to meet even basic curriculum or assessment goals. The only information we do have is largely coming from providers of home schooling curriculums who are motivated to show positive outcomes.
I’m glad it worked out well for you, but if you haven’t watched the Shiny Happy People documentary series about the Duggar family and the IBLP (who have millions of families following their curriculum), you ought to check it out.
Completely fair to be skeptical, but I’d like to point out a couple of things:
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Generally-speaking and in this very thread, criticism of homeschooling is nothing but blanket-statements without any data to back claims up. I’d only ask that we don’t resign ourselves to double-standards.
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If you’re concerned about any claims I made or want specific data, I’m happy to look up the source (frankly just lazy in the moment). As with most topics, the problem isn’t data, but preconceived ideas / prejudice blinding people from wanting to acknowledge said data.
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Yes, that’s the nature of wide variety of things, including Public Schooling itself, ironically! Public school can be a dumpster fire for many kids (side-note, my wife was an extroverted straight-A’s Honors, AP, extracurricular student in high school and has come to a similar conclusion).
Yes, Duggars suck. Yes, Turpin family suck. But remind me how many school shooters there have been and what was the origin of their education, again?
I have no problem with there being oversight. In the state I grew up I still had to do testing and most importantly be evaluated by a certified teacher at the end of the school year just to track progress. There was of course some wiggle-room to specialize one’s education according to their environment / kid’s needs, which is where this excels.
Naturally I have a more unique perspective than most because being in the deep minority of those homeschooled, I’m also privy to knowing far more homeschoolers personally than the average publicly-schooled kid. At the same time, being surrounded by the majority who’ve been public-schooled has allowed me to compare-and-contrast the two groups. Given differences in maturity, confidence in my own capacity to set my child up for success (not to mention it being easier than ever with the internet & libraries), the chaos of public school and what is essentially a system set up to let the blind lead the blind and practically encourages bullying… I’m choosing to homeschool my kids as well — keeping religious faith out of it, of course.
The Columbine shooters were publicly-schooled.
The Oxford school shooter was publicly-schooled;
The Sandy Hook shooter was publicly-schooled until 16. Etc.
… So why are comment threads in those instances never espousing, “public school is child abuse!”?
And therein lies the double-standard. So if we peel it back, it’s lack understanding of the topic, and a matter of personal self-esteem being attacked because that would suggest either they as students or parents didn’t make the right decision, and nobody likes criticism.
Is homeschooling for everybody? No. But is public schooling? Absolutely not.
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You’re right, it’s more nuanced and I jumped on the majority who (I perceive) conduct home schooling because they’re religious nuts. Glad you all turned out all right. Find some further left spaces. I bet you’ll want to push even further.
Thank you.
Nice. It’s too bad he won’t get to meet his love in prison though. If they were to both go there, it definitely wouldn’t be in the same place…
before he temporarily blinded two officers with chemical spray
Oh, those poor, poor piggies… enduring what they themselves regularly perpetrate on people with complete impunity! Oh, the humanity!
Hold on while I dig out the world’s smallest violin for them!
Why does anyone here give a shit? He assaulted a police officer, he is probably a hero to everyone here
We like police more than actual traitors.
Not that I agree with that dude, but this is lemmy. “We” here includes people who want to violently overthrow the government and literally kill landlords and small business owners in the name of their cause, and whether you agree with that cause or not, that does make them also traitors. Thus I posit that lemmy does not like police more than “actual traitors,” they like police more than those traitors from the other side of their own. There can be more than only one treachery afoot at any given moment.
Lol sure
I can tell you’re a conservative. You think in black-and-white terms.
Not even close.
Then maybe don’t talk like one.
Why’d he do it?
Was he defending the unhoused or protesting an overstep of the government? Was he standing up for his voice to be heard and battling the injustice in the system?
Oh he was enforcing injustice and trying to circumvent the rule of law to instill a despot?
He probably didn’t even attempt to vote did he?
Conservatives only like cops when cops are murdering unarmed black people for them.
