I came across an article called Owls — Not Quite as Clever as We Think and after the post about AI generated images and today’s is it real or isn’t it pic of the Northern Lights , I felt now was the right time to share this article and see some of your opinions on the matter. I feels it’s a good conversation starter on where video and camera magic ends vs what we would consider unreal, like the infamous Disney documentary on lemmings.

I’ll share a few bits from the article, as you should go to the source for this one. It has some good stories and a lot of accompanying pictures.

From Owls -Not Quite as Clever as We Think, by Steven Bolwell

Here’s a bit about why this article intrigued me:

Wildlife film-makers rarely admit to deception, but we all have to own up to the realities of what is possible in a world that is rapidly disappearing. I don’t think it matters one hoot whether an owl exits a real window, or a fake one, because nothing about the bird’s behaviour changes. Nobody questions an edit in a natural history film, because if an audience wanted to experience natural events in real-time they’d be waiting for days. However, as soon as you tighten up the progress of events the result is a story; and the real problem with telling a story is the disappointment of the viewer should they discover the deception.

I also enjoyed this guy does not appear to be a big fan of owls to start with, and many of his experiences show when he relied on them for his income, the owls could be less than cooperative.

I am aware that most owl enthusiasts would be singing the praises of experiencing such wonderful birds first hand, but I couldn’t wait to see the back of them. They whole thing had been a time consuming failure. I’d been unintentionally mislead about what these owls would do, and was a long way past the point where I was going to train them to fly through my phoney window. They were the wrong birds for the job and never again did I make such an expensive mistake.

And here is the story why our Flammulated Owl is not happy with the author and his crew:

A few years later I found myself in the high mountain woodlands of New Mexico filming the small nocturnal flammulated owl. It was a surprise when the scientist working with the birds told me he could chainsaw out the back of the tree they were nesting in and they would remain entirely undisturbed. If you needed to observe or weight young birds this was perhaps an effective way of doing it, but I was sceptical. Chainsawing a tree before the owls started nesting seemed a better option, but how many trees would you need to cut into to guarantee a nest being present later in the year? Predicting such events is very hit and miss.

The filming occurred more than 35 years ago when a great many species were far less threatened than they are today; but even back then if I hadn’t been confident about what I was doing, I wouldn’t have been filming; and in this case, certainly not without the supervision of a scientific advisor who had been working closely with the birds. I haven’t named him because many will consider this kind of intrusiveness unacceptable; but as none of his birds ever seemed disturbed and the information gleaned went into conserving the species, I didn’t have a problem with it. Nevertheless, I am not sure we need to see every wild bird on the nest just for a television programme, although there is no doubt that this kind of media exposure is the best way to get a general audience informed and proactive in conservation… But don’t try this at home… you might lose an eye! The alternative is to film captive birds on sets and there are many people who are equally disturbed by this alternative dishonesty.

I hope this is enough to get you to check out the full article with either the above or below links, and I encourage you to come back and share your opinions. I feel this article is coming from a much more neutral point of view than is typical for this type of discussion.

Link to full article

As a bonus for scrolling this far, here are the baby Flammies from the chainsaw accessed nest:

  • anon6789@lemmy.worldOP
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    6 months ago

    Very fair thoughts. For animals in the wild I heartily agree.

    Does the same apply to, for example, the captive raised Barn Owls from the article for the staged window shoot, or the Hedwig “actors?” While still technically wild, they are not from the wild and are used to human handling. For the Barn Owls in the article, is it being a staged shot for a documentary the issue and Harry Potter is obviously fiction so the staged owl stuff is ok?

    (For you and anyone else I talk to in this thread, I’m not challenging your opinions, just trying to get deeper into conversation. I know we’re all probably accustomed to responses to moral issues being attacks on our opinions, but I hope you all see this group as a place safe from that type of thing!)

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      6 months ago

      I didn’t think animals raised in captivity were considered wild, that’s why they usually cannot be released. In any case I do a lot of wildlife photography and one of the things I stick to is no setups. I just go out and let wildlife be wildlife. I wouldn’t consider hedwig or animals in captivity to be off limits though, but I also wouldn’t portray them as being wild or lie about where I took the photographs at.

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        6 months ago

        Apologies, I meant wild in they are not domesticated animals like a dog/cat/horse. While captive raised owls aren’t from the wild, it is not their nature to live that closely with us. Some could look at them in a fun AnimalsWithJobs way, while others could see them as circus animals made to perform while a person gets paid for it way. There are definite concerns when we entrust these animals to their care when Hedwig’s handlers and other related entertainment oriented groups are given custody of these animals.

        Especially once profit becomes involved, some people’s morality can become quite…flexible. There are a ton of great people out there working with animals in all capacities, from volunteers to for-profit businesses, but they all have the same responsibility to care for these animals. I support zoos for instance, and thankfully I’ve only ever been to one that I felt should have been shut down (it was!) and I am glad they are under pretty consistent scrutiny, because they should be. So I try to keep my opinions on a case-by-case basis, especially since many of these jobs are hard work with long hours and don’t pay well, so most people are going to be dedicated to animal welfare, but I am all for removing animals from anyone not treating them with respect.

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      The problems there is how you make exotic wildlife ‘perform’. Unlike say dogs, wildlife rarely enjoy performing tricks. So far places like zoos have managed to make them ‘perform’ stuff they pretty much always do (eg. Fly from place to place or sit still). But when you start reading about stuff like the whales from Free Willy and Seaworld dolphins I’ll rather we have shitty cgi animals in shows.

      I know we’ve progressed a bit beyond those days but you just need to see the reports of ongoing exotic animal abuse for me to once again say we can forgo realism for the sake of animal welfare. Animals that can never be sent back to the wild should at most be used in documentaries that usually go like “this is Sigrid, who can never be released because their wings were permanently damaged in a fire” or something. There are always humans who are ready to ruin a good thing so by stopping all of it we avoid the issue in the first place.

      And yeah don’t worry I don’t think you’re attacking me. It’s good to have an open discussion and it can always spark new ideas.

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        6 months ago

        I’ve seen some wild articles about owls being used in Halloween costumes, some involving amateur wing clipping, and others with glue to keep them from flying away. Some people really disappoint me.

        Things like the article’s staged window shoot seem fine, as he was just waiting for them to move. Things like drones and smaller cameras that can be remotely operated seem to help both the animals and people. With the Sea World drama being mostly resolved, I feel we’ve come a long way in using animals improperly.

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          Oh yes. We’ve definitely progressed quite far. I guess I’m just a bit cynical in terms of how easily humans can backslide. Like how “well this is okay so why not a bit more”. Sometimes decades of progress can get wiped out by a few greedy idiots. Still with how photorealism and cgi stuff has been progressing I also feel that the time may come where for filming you can use technology. Aside from fictional movies where you can use these animals, simulations can also be done. Like how documentaries like air crash investigation does a recreation since they obviously don’t have film of the cockpit at time of crash, using technology for the purposes of simulating what animals behave like in the wild could be great too.

          I definitely think drones have great potential though. And as long as the noise disruption and other potential dangers are reduced (I have read about some accidents from collisions given how fast some drones can be) I think that’s a great new avenue for wildlife filming.

          • anon6789@lemmy.worldOP
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            6 months ago

            I really enjoyed the Prehistoric Planet series that Apple TV and David Attenborough did. I thought that was done beautifully enough and told such interesting stories that I would further I was watching pure CGI.

            One of the chapters in What An Owl Knows that I believe I shared here talked about how drones have been extremely helpful in research involving the Blakiston’s Fish Owl. Their nests are very high up along freezing cold rivers in very difficult terrain and they were so poorly researched due to that. The drones let the researchers work from a base camp, keeping them from spending multiple days slowly disturbing the owl’s territory and climbing trees looking for nests. Now they can just get in and out. It seems safer by far for the people, and less disturbing to an animal not used to people.