• SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world
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    I am saying every single one of these claims have never wound up being actually true since they go against the very nature of physics. Yet people perpetuate the claims and defend them without the supporting data.

    So to not provide the data for one claim, while providing the data for another is only done to mislead from the truth.

    Sorry for not accepting what they say at face value since it goes against multiple things.

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      never wound up being actually true since they go against the very nature of physics.

      This is an incredibly wild statement when you have no data on the device’s construction or operation.

      Youre complaining about a lack of data then making wild assumptions about it with no data.

      Not exactly a good scientific method here, mate.

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        It’s a wild statement to claim it doesn’t reduce power when even increasing the length of the discharge tube would affect its performance, and they’ve added a good 8”. Every time like this comes out without the data to back it up, it’s always false, everytime. If it wasn’t the data would be provided now wouldn’t it? Even just showing the CFM data would be enough, but they purposely omit it.

        The fact that they purposely omitted data that they have is extremely concerning, it’s not a bold claim say it’s obviously false. It’s bold to claim something like that that goes against what we already know about physics.

        I am sorry you are eating up this “marketing”, it’s why products like this are even sold, it’s hilarious, the amount of people defending this asinine claim is honestly quite shocking, especially on a community like this.

        Not exactly a good scientific method here, mate.

        Uhh… I’m not the one making claims that goes against common knowledge of aerodynamics and then not providing that data. So sure, wanting someone to prove their claim makes me bad at scientific method…?? Maybe the people defending bullshit claims are the ones you should be calling out, oh wait that you yourself. Give you head a fucking shake lmfao.

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      You’re right to be sceptical until more data is presented, but saying no claim of progress is ever true is quite obviously a gross misrepresentation of our current reality. You are doing this on digital devices interconnected with millions of users ar staggering speed and latency. Every part of which are scientific claims.

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        Every claim where they omit the actual data to support the claim is never fully true. Provide the CFM testing data they must have to even make that claim.

        There is no valid reason to omit that data unless to mislead.

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          Unfortunately I don’t agree.

          Good reasons to omit details include brevity, legibility, pedagogy and scope.

          Showing the supporting evidence for all steps in an evidence chain is simply not feasible, and we commonly have to accept that a certain presupposed level of knowledge as well as ambiguity is necessary. And much of the challenge is to be precise enough in the things that need precision.

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            They provided the DB data so your argument for all of those reasons is invalid. They could have easily spent a single sentence providing the CFM data. So no, not a single one of those reasons is valid to omit 6 words.

            They made a claim, they didn’t need to mention the power claim, but they did. They should have omitted the claim itself using your logic, instead of the supporting data. The argument is flawed itself.

            and we commonly have to accept that a certain presupposed level of knowledge as well as ambiguity is necessary.

            Like knowing making a discharge tube longer or shorter affects its aerodynamics….? So we know the claim is false already…? Their ambiguity is meant to mislead people with zero working knowledge of the subject… anyone with any experience will see its flaw immediately.