I ain’t a super Linux user, but I find it crazy that so many governments aren’t scared to put their data in the hands of US corporations like Microsoft of Apple.
I work for the state in Geneva, Switzerland, and my employers gives me an iPhone and forces me to use Windows at work.
I know that developing your own Linux distribution or any other solution is difficult but my country is even using a foreign cloud service instead of a swiss one😨
People are so shortsighted about this. Spend billions on Microsoft products to prevent spending millions on a safe solution that will never be suddenly deprecated.
you’re ignoring the very large elephant in the room known as “maintenance”. r&d is only the first hurdle.
This way you outsource the fault.
I mean, you guys have all that Nazi gold still so I’m not sure extrapolating that “neutrality” to other countries is necessarily useful
I’m just talking about keeping your data and those of your citizens away from Apple and Microsoft.
I don’t know enough about the nazi gold, but whatever your country is, I’m sure it has a dark history too. Still this is in no way related to the original post.
I mean my country is no longer engaged in active genocide but yours still fights tooth and nail to keep Jewish gold and you don’t even know about it
So yeah, there’s a difference.
Goddamn your right. The Nazi/Jewish gold hoards are… Why they… Use a foreign cloud service?
They outsource the data keep because it’s cheaper… nowdays even family package on Microsoft for onedrive is very cheap…
Degrees of a scale 🤦🏻
Won’t supply ammo for German weapon systems in Ukraine because they are “neutral”
Kinda like they were in world war 2…
How is that about data security/integrity?
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India’s space program is doing more than fine.
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TFA says India was the first nation to achieve Mars orbit on the first attempt. Standing on the shoulders of giants, and all, but still… that’s surely an exceptional feat?
Is it better to set the bar high and fail to achieve every goal, or set the bar low and achieve less, but be able to claim 100% success?
I dunno, man… I kinda feel like putting something in Mars orbit on your first try deserves some respect and recognition.
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why would anyone waste all that money for basically just PR…
It’s not just PR. Developing the engineering capability to reach Mars is a goal of its own. There are not many nations that can achieve that.
The very fact that they can send working spacecraft is already an accomplishment. How many countries can do that?
They are not yet a world power even if they claim to be. No doubt about that. But they are projected to become one in the not so near future. No doubt about that too.
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what made you think India prioritised it over those things?
the budget for ISRO is much, much lower than the budget that goes towards programs to fix poverty related issues. ISRO is 0.27% of the indian budget.
the remote sensing satellites have helped farmers, fishermen with actual food production, weather satellites with predicting disasters and saving lives.
for us its worth the investment even without factoring in the nice to haves like finding water on the moon or launching private satellites.
No, any country that wants to pay for it can.
No my country can’t.
He’s letting children starve and develop life long issues so people like you do what you’re doing right now.
I am. not even Indian. I reckon what ever he’s doing affect me the same way it affect you. And I don’t even like him.
But I am not that bias to mix national interest with domestic interest - to paint bad picture on a target, to excavate the worse and burying the good.
The cost at which India achieves these accomplishments are a fraction of what other Space Agencies. It’s something they should be proud of.
I went through the link and the entire fact that the article is using a small remote town to justify it with the entire India’s population is mind boggling to me. As someone from data science background, it just reeks as falsehood as no accurate source of data, sampling of such large pop and etc are mentioned.
Not too dissimilar to Elon Musk really.
We have the same kind of rot, it’s just that corporate layer somehow makes us think it’s not the same as the corrupt bullshit in other countries. But it’s not all that different.
Elon represents Elon, and he likes to hear himself talk. A government that represents a billion people should act a little differently than someone like him.
That would be their problem.
Someone is really getting the fucks for basically parroting the usual narrative of the deep states lol.
but because India’s government is one of the most corrupt in the world
This same country also has a space organization that is well-respected all around the world. If we can launch rockets, we sure as hell can build a secure Linux based distro lol.
Half the mobile rom teams are Indian devs
We have some serious manpower for cheap, that’s smart, development/employment focused, and intuitive
No doubt about it. Indian devs all over open source. But do you really think they will recruit the FOSS crew when contracting time comes lol
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I want to make my own thing with their DE
stuff based on opensuse as a base(leap for workstation, tumbleweed for consumer and enterprise for enterprise users, see how it shapes out
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My country once successfully launched 104 satellites with a single rocket. And this guy really believes we can’t build a secure linux distro because we’re nothing more than a “3rd world country poised to become the newest sweatshop of the developed world”. Wow, okay dude.
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Hey, another example of India doing something that makes no logical sense just for the PR
Only 2 of those 104 satellites were Indian. Rest all were foreign satellites. In fact 96 of them were from the USA. But yeah, obviously all these foreign satellites satellites serve no purpose whatsoever. Obviously they were launched just so ISRO could score some PR points 😂
There is absolutely nothing impressive about launching 104 satellites in one go. What would be truly impressive is building a linux distro, amirite?
Man, you all are making this easy
Insert wojak crying behind mask meme
no logical sense except the indigenous technology advancements that make sure india doesn’t need to rely on others for crucial operations (US denying gps info to india comes to mind) along with the money that they earn from private satellite launches, yes.
i wonder why this is so easy for you, surely it isn’t because you are conveniently ignoring all the positives of a space program.
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what reasons are real enough for you?
is a navigation system real enough? are weather satellites helping with disasters and saving lives real enough? is telecommunications real enough? is the millions they earn from private satellites real enough?
i’m sorry all of this falls under propaganda for you. for me personally, these are all real enough to warrant a space program.
But I can admit when I’m wrong
doesn’t look like it
Well… No idea if US landed on the moon but the videos are sus AF
Countries spinning PR is tale as old as time
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This has little to do with government officials. Though very less information is available, I believe the military will use its own personnel or private contractors.
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The article says this will be “based on Ubuntu” but it will probably actually just be Ubuntu with custom defaults, pre-installed software, and maybe repositories.
This just makes sense in my view. The cost relative to the number of machines they must deploy will be miniscule. If they do not mess with the core system too much, they can outsource almost all the admin and expertise to Canonical in terms of security and packaging. People saying this will blow up. Why? It does not sound like they are really creating a full distro from scratch. Is Ubuntu not viable?
In terms of why crating a custom version instead of just using actual Ubuntu. Again, the cost of customizing a distro can be dramatically less than making even simple configurations on every system after the fact. They can standardize what the desktop will look like and set key defaults. They can choose what applications are installed by default. They can remove applications from the repository that they do not want to be installed. The can ensure that localization is done well, etc.
I remember when Ubuntu was just Debian with custom defaults, pre-installed software, and their own repositories. Basically what every new distro is in the beginning.
And yeah creating dpkg packages isn’t really all that difficult. Don’t know why people are saying this will be a disaster. There’s a lot of technically proficient people in India that could handle doing QA, and putting a dpkg on a server that gets automatically picked up by all the various systems that need it. Hell, they could develop their own applications and package them up and distribute them around much easier on a Linux system than a Windows system.
As an Indian… You mean we can outsource stuff to others? :D
LOL
“home grown” Ubuntu spin, got it
Chalega, it’s a step in the right direction
It’s certainly a step in some direction, I’ll check back in a few years and see if it was the right one, or if it’s just a publicity stunt.
Even if it is, this is an instant attitude switch for uncles who go “open source is not acceptable in the industry” or “open source is not sustainable”
Only if it actually succeeds. If the Indian gov’t gives up on it after a year or two, then maybe it’ll have the opposite impact.
I work with some Indians, so I’m going to ask them their thoughts. I’m genuinely interested in whether there’s a will in India to actually make this a thing. I know it wouldn’t fly in my area (US), but it has worked to some extent in other regions.
Potential is 100% there if they can get some stuff running
If the DE, compatibility layer and the antivirus thing is open source I want to make an openSUSE spin of it with kiwi
‘home-grown’
Well, it was the headline in a National newspaper and I just quoted it.
‘home-grown’ like that Miley Cyrus distro.
Very cool! Always good to see more countries get closer to embracing FOSS. Really helps with the collaborative benefits that FOSS can have, plus allows for organizations to have more control in their digital destinies instead of simply being customers.
Hope the best for the project!
This is 100% a nationalism thing. They want to be able to say we make our own operating system. That’s it. It’s going to be a disaster when they inevitably fuck up because they are doing g it for the wrong reasons.
How is controlling the package repo for your gov a bad thing?
Because they aren’t doing it to control the package repo, they are doing it to score nationalism points.
Guess what, nationalism and security go together for all the right reasons.
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Finally something done right by India (just my rough impression, I remember them like banning VLC and then encrypted apps, idk exactly what they do.)
Yeah, they banned encrypted apps thinking that only terrorists require encrypted messaging.
I think they are just stupid lol
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Wait till fascist BJP learns about Whatsapp.
Hopefully they pull it off for real and it will not get bogged down by bureaucracy and red tapes.
Fingers crossed!
Another fríggin’ Ubuntu distro. Can’t somebody just commit to Debian instead… please?
Meanwhile, in NixOS land:
I don’t think NixOS “hates” Docker, in fact Nix has its own tools to build Docker images. There are some examples at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/build-support/docker/examples.nix
My main concern is support and delay b/w security patches the OS will introduce. I’m making a wild guess, but I think they should have lot older hardware devices and from performance pov, they should benefit given latest Windows are not that great on older devices and older win versions have already reached EOL.
If they do get it right, they probably need to retrain their staff to be able to use other apps like Libre Office and more.
Ultra based India
They’re not that based, they’re banning encryption
Not based anymore 😔👊
A lot of schools and colleges in Kerala (Indian State) use Ubuntu. Kids are taught how to use software like GIMP and Audacity in schools. It has become part of the syllabus in public schools.
12 th standard students have to do maths practical in GeoGebra.
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Kerala has a very good relationship with Free Software Foundation. Here is a video of Stallman speaking in the inauguration function of “Free software foundation of India” in Kerala broadcasted on State television https://youtu.be/ZnlslvE2A9U
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/ZnlslvE2A9U
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Can they do it? Yes. Can they do it with a reasonable level of support for many different desktop hardware so it’s cheap to implement? Probably, though it won’t be as comprehensive as windows. Can they get a 1:1 replacement for windows that has the same level of security as windows? No, because many national governments collaborate on windows security. But! They’ll be safe-ish from NSA back doors in windows (if you think there are any)
The likelihood that windows doesn’t have a back door for the US government is irrelevant.
No windows user can guarantee every part of their OS is clean.
Linux users have the advantage of Open Source.
If you run Linux, you can audit the code. Can’t do that for windows.
For governments, big businesses, etc windows is already open source
Nice… So anyone with any dignity won’t tolerate being spied on. Only cattle and sheep get subjected to this abuse. Checks out.
Switched to Linux due to being treated like cattle by windows.
Ok! I don’t care, that has nothing to do with this post!
U hurt?
You’re description of stripping dignity from the cattle and sheep turned me on, is all
Haha. Alright
Many national governments collaborate on Linux security as well.
