A user on the online forum 4chan has leaked a massive 270GB of data purportedly belonging to The New York Times. This leak includes what is claimed to be the source code for the newspaper’s digital operations.
It’s mostly node modules
“send nodes”
I hate Web 3.0
Node has been around longer than web3
NPM nightmares intensify
Web 3.0 ≠ web3
As someone who has read these terms in passing but is unfamiliar with them: What the fuck?
Yeah, I’m with you. web3 is the cryptobro blockchain web, while Web 3.0 usually refers to either RFC-based standards or “the state of the modern web” - the post 2.0 era
Http3 != web3.0
Web3 everywhere ive looked is strictly for blockchain approach to web
Im happy to be wrong, but my search yielded nothing to support your position. Do you have a resource handy?
HTTP/3 is yet another thing, unrelated to both of them. Wikipedia has a disambiguation page for the two meanings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_3.0 https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/04/web-inventor-tim-berners-lee-wants-us-to-ignore-web3.html
I also hate making things from smaller pieces, the engineering in software engineering. /s
Nah fuck the entire node ecosystem. It’s proof of how bad people have become at software design. Especially web devs. It’s crazy to me how many devs introduce breaking changes because of their “philosophy” or because the original design was straight up terrible.
270GB of mostly node modules?
You’re right, it would be bigger if it was node
Sounds pretty average
Only 270GB? They must only have a few hundred lines of code.
pnpm store would probably save them a lot.of grief if true
Nah, having big node_modules folders is a security feature. It’s like keeping your valuables in a bag of trash.
It also takes a long time to make a dump, so you have a higher chance of noticing it happening.
reminds me of the time someone said “Who is this 4chan?” on tv and it became a meme. good times
Source for the curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz5i171h_no
He can’t keep getting away with it.
270GB feels insane for the source code of a single organisation. Is there media assets or backups in there too?
EDIT: yep, multiple subsidiaries and slack Comms which could inflate it by a lot. we post a whole lot of uncompressed shit on our slack
NY Times has a freaking great data visualisations, they are (were?) employing a wizard in this space, doing custom extensions on d3.js.
Source code… for a website?
Subscription software. Tracking software. Ad tools. Promotion tools. Tools for journalists.
The website is just what you see.
Yeah, I guess I didn’t consider all the other operational shit that goes into providing content and funding for the website.
It’s why our PCs have gotten insanely fast but websites still load like fucking trash. All the back end spying shit takes up a ton of cpu cycles. If you don’t already have em run ublock origin and no script and the internet is so fucking speedy 😆
I hadn’t noticed but then again I run Ublock Origin on Firefox.
Yeah. You got yourself covered no script helps with JavaScript being pesky. But breaks a lot of shit tbh.
You can still make it work, it’s just more stuff to click on. I used to use NoScript too, but eventually stopped using it.
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Oh haven’t heard of this will check it out.
Anything more complicated than a static website is going to have a significant amount of server-side code.
Also, the article explains that it’s not just the website, but ALL of their repos, which would include their smartphone apps, backend tools, etc.
I doubt this will affect much … that’s a lot more source code than I’d expect though, dang.
Presumably a lot of it is for internal operations (custom editing software or something of that ilk).
It sounds like it’s not all source code, from the article.
Now everyone will get to run Wordle!
In case anyone missed the hubbub: [ETA: This is from March 2024; unconnected to this hack/leak]
The Times has filed several Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or DMCA, takedown notices to developers of Wordle-inspired games, which cited infringement on the Times’ ownership of the Wordle name, as well as its look and feel — such as the layout and color scheme of green, gray and yellow tiles.
Numerous impacted developers have also taken to social media to share their frustrations. Many said that their games, which range from Wordle-like offerings in other languages to more guessing games, would be taken down as a result.
Still, Brauneis said he believes the Times’ arguments for Wordle copyright infringement are on “a little bit shaky ground” for several reasons. Rules of a game, for example, are not covered by copyright — and that can include the layout of the game itself, he said.
I prefer Connections.
We still have no legal right to use, change and share its source code, control it both ourselves and in groups. It’s still anti-libre software.
Anything that may help develop better adblockers/paywall bypasses or exposes how/what of our personal information is collected is a win in my book. And this may very well be none of those things.
They only exist when we keep them relevant and we already know we can’t prove it’s private but if it helps some people, that’s good.
Right, because fuck paying for proper journalism. Everything must be free!
Remind me again, how does that work?
I pay for the NYT, and yet every other screen is a fucking ad (often the same ad repeated over and over). You already have my subscription money, and unless they decide not to be so greedy (haha), their ads get shoved up my pihole.
The inverse of this is where subscription services that previously had no ads for paying subscribers then add in ads on paid plans while also increasing the fees associated. It’s a pretty standard practice, NYT included. Adblocking is necessary.
Just seeing how something is approached helps.
I sometimes rebuild software from one language to another for practice.
Very few care about licenses unless the use of such material can be proven, and good luck with that
Did this leak happen before or after NYT published an investigation detailing how Israeli forces were raping and torturing defenseless Palestinian detainees brought in from the Gaza Strip?
I have not read the news in a really long time just cause paywalls are annoying as frick.
Consider paying for the news…?
I’d only do that if you want independent news.
I’m not sure what you’re saying here …
Pay for news if you want it to be independent, and not beholden to sponsors.
I’d go as far as to say that paying for news (if you have the means to do so comfortably), is your duty as a commitment to democracy.
Ahh, yes I agree on all points; thanks for the clarification!
It’s amazing the number of times on Lemmy that someone will come in with the completely opposite “explanation” for what I was saying. Almost like they have an agenda.
It’s so weird to turn my statement of “support the news with money” into “the mainstream media can’t be trusted”.
Maybe it’s only happened twice, but it’s still weird that it’s happened twice.
Phrasing things in semi-sarcastic converse will do that
I was wondering if that’s where you were going in part.
I think it’s a bit of the phrasing; you stated an opinion that’s vague to the point of tiptoeing towards the potentially loaded question: “who’s independent media?”
It’s not uncommon in the conservative media sphere to see a similar (typically series) of leading ambiguous questions. They’re never genuine, it’s always in the style of:
You know what the best operating system is? I’ll tell you what the best operating system is, it’s Linux. Do you know why Linux is the best operating system? It’s because it’s got penguins and penguins are great! Do you know why penguins are great? I mean, can you think of a more iconic bird? That’s why, that is why … and Big Microsoft is out to destroy your hopes and dreams aren’t they? Yes, yes they absolutely are, with their soulless Windows operating system that’s manufactured by the flying spaghetti monster. Now obviously folks, only use Linux if you support freedom not the unholy flying spaghetti monster. The flying spaghetti monster will destroy America. It’s its one true mission. Support freedom, support penguins, stop the flying spaghetti monster.
I think it’s made a bunch of if antsy lol
He probably means one of these (or both):
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New York Times is a huge corporation. The commenter would only support a site which is run by one creator, or with a genuine small team, which is transparent and not an asshole.
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New York Times is biased politically or accepting bribery attempts from other corpos to make them look in a better light.
- New York Times is a huge corporation. The commenter would only support a site which is run by one creator, or with a genuine small team, which is transparent and not an asshole.
Yeah but good luck chasing multiple stories across the world as a small team.
Jesus Christ, no. It’s almost like you’re trying to sow distrust in the news and facts.
The NYT isn’t perfect, but it’s some of the most reliable news the world has.
As of March 2023, The New York Times Company employs 5,800 individuals,[101] including 1,700 journalists according to deputy managing editor Sam Dolnick.[122] Journalists for The New York Times may not run for public office, provide financial support to political candidates or causes, endorse candidates, or demonstrate public support for causes or movements.[123] Journalists are subject to the guidelines established in “Ethical Journalism” and “Guidelines on Integrity”.[124] According to the former, Times journalists must abstain from using sources with a personal relationship to them and must not accept reimbursements or inducements from individuals who may be written about in The New York Times, with exceptions for gifts of nominal value.[125] The latter requires attribution and exact quotations, though exceptions are made for linguistic anomalies. Staff writers are expected to ensure the veracity of all written claims, but may delegate researching obscure facts to the research desk.[126] In March 2021, the Times established a committee to avoid journalistic conflicts of interest with work written for The New York Times, following columnist David Brooks’s resignation from the Aspen Institute for his undisclosed work on the initiative Weave.[127]
Well it definitely seemed like that. Sorry I was just assuming, since most Lemmy people are really anti-establishment on everything basically.
Well, if you didn’t get it from me, you certainly would have gotten it from some of these responses.
The New York Crimes is a garbage propaganda rag. They don’t deserve a red cent from anyone after pushing their transphobic agenda, (and responding to widespread criticism by publishing an article defending JK Rowling) or after they blatantly lied and published a fake news story about Hamas conducting mass rape in an attempt to sway public opinion to be in favor of Israel’s genocide. If you have a NYT subscription, you are paying people to lie to you.
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Never!
You can go to archive.is and put in the url of a news story you want to read in the second box and it will usually let you bypass the paywall.
Oh. They stopped seeding the torrent at 85%…
but then made another torrent that is fully seeded
Link?
I expect that paywall to be fully useless soon.
That’s a really silly take … a Paywall is just an authorization mechanism.
That’s like saying the source code of lemmy leaks and you expect your account to be compromised any second.
I can sell you a copy of lemmys source code, are you interested?
I’ll sell it for cheaper!
I can give you 25 schmeckles.
Well, the open source code is less likely to commit “security through obscurity” than closed one.
I just received an email, is this related?
Critical support
Thats a lot of data but surly its not all their articles cos I’d very much like to train mixtral7x8b on it along with 4chan data and shir from the dark web. Surly there is a project where such a model is public and being trained on literally everything regardless of legality.
EDIT: why am i getting downvoted?
you’re getting downvoted because LLMs are simply not very good, they consume lots of energy (bad for climate), and seemingly most people involved in ai hype want to replace human creativity or something.
how about instead of training a not very trustworthy or useful LLM on lots of nyt, 4chan, and “dark web”, you go read lots of nyt, 4chan, and dark web to train your own (much better) model (your brain).
They are very good they exceed the capability of many humans in many tasks. If consume energy = bad for environment then all electric vehicles are bullshit cos they have energy inefficiencies that petrol cars don’t (thermodynamics is a bitch). U do realise the argument about if asking an ai to create an image is art argument is literally the same argument that was had about if photography is art.
Llm are decently trustworthy especially with chain of thought reasoning and tool capabilities. And they are extraordinarily useful people wouldnt be using them and creating a market for them of they weren’t. I can’t train my brain then share it for free to everyone on the internet to download I can with an ai tho.
Have you seen that study about the accuracy of chatgpt responding to programming questions? (here) It’s wrong 52% of the time, and I can say that I have personally experienced trying to use chatgpt for programming and getting more confused rather than less. Maybe it is because I wasn’t using gpt4, or claude, or whatever new model is the best, but I’m just sharing my experience.
Also I support electric vehicles because without them lots of energy (and emissions) is generated for critical infrastructure (we can’t ditch cars yet), and so replacing that with renewably generated energy is a good idea.
LLMs consume lots of energy to train and use, but instead of literally moving millions of people around, they assist you in doing things you could have done without them, but with dubious accuracy. Look at the massive use of LLMs in by students to cheat in school, yes they may not get detected, but sometimes they have noticable flaws, that get them in large trouble for being too lazy to actually learn anything.
If you want to learn in depth knowledge about a topic, just go look it up and learn there, it’s more helpful than an LLM.
