Most Apple users want the “cage” for its near-mindless security and privacy. I used to troubleshoot and diagnose PCs all day. I got tired of managing my HTC Windows phone in 2008 and went to iPhone. It’s similar to running Windows Home for the smaller attack surface than Pro, or trading admin for user rights. I love not having to worry about the reliability, privacy, or security maintenance of my daily driver.
Do you have a source on what they provide the NSA? According to their privacy policy they don’t access customer data unless they receive a warrant requesting iCloud data, and they have no access to data on the phone itself or what is transmitted.
source code. you can link legal documents all you want to try and shift blame from apple, but fact is, privacy is still an illusion with them unless we can investigate their os for backdoors.
the snowden leaks are well estabilished fact by this point and no amount of “but its not their fault!” will change it regardless of if its true or not.
They didn’t do anything “with Apple”. The NSA added splitters to fiber optic lines to steal information. Apple never collaborated with the NSA, nor gave them information willingly.
I’m not so sure this holds up as well as it once did. You can get some pretty cheap iPhones and Apple even sells some more value-oriented options , although not as cheap as some crappy Android phones. You can also buy Androids much more expensive than any iPhone.
But I hear what you’re saying. I believe you are saying that cheap often means more popular but that doesn’t mean good.
Said another way, Apple sells more smart phone hardware than any other phone manufacturer on the planet. Samsung being a strong second place at 24% of the world.
This is generally true, but no more than what you do with an iPhone to Apple. Except with the iPhone Apple decides how much, where on Android you can prevent giving data to Google to the degree you wish.
There is no doubt Android phones have more freedom than iPhone. It’s not even reasonably debatable.
There are alternate apps and services that don’t depend on Google. I’m responding from one such service right now.
I’ve also been using the same TextNow number since 2016. You know, VOIP WiFi phone service? I even debugged the TextNow app back in 2016, they’re actually damn glad to have me as a regular free user.
There are ways to both maintain privacy, and also use your device at the same time.
I was wondering why you were downvoted, until I saw the name of the sub.
Apple users are definitely in a cage, but apparently they won’t even acknowledge it.
I’m not saying the phones aren’t good otherwise, but using Apple is an obvious sacrifice of digital freedom.
It really depends on the user. I mainly use iPhone, but there are definitely some odd limitations here and there. I’m glad Android exists to provide some alternative.
100% I was one of those hardcore Apple fanboys until I realised it’s turning into a cult. I stopped defending and criticising Apple and it’s policies a long time ago, even though I use iPhone and android.
Hey, if I stated that on an Android community, I’m sure I’d get quite a few upvotes. But that’s not accomplishing anything now is it, that’s like talking into an echo chamber.
I don’t expect much of any upvotes for my comment, but it’s the truth. I can’t help it if Apple users don’t like hearing the truth. 🤷♂️
Just another tactic to keep people in their Apple cage ☹️
ANDROID!!!
I know. It’s Amazing the bullshit we’ll put up with to avoid having to use Android…
Most Apple users want the “cage” for its near-mindless security and privacy. I used to troubleshoot and diagnose PCs all day. I got tired of managing my HTC Windows phone in 2008 and went to iPhone. It’s similar to running Windows Home for the smaller attack surface than Pro, or trading admin for user rights. I love not having to worry about the reliability, privacy, or security maintenance of my daily driver.
I spend all day dealing with computer issues. I never have to deal with iPhone problems. It just works.
Well, sometimes I need to restart it. Lol
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the privacy is illusory. apple collaborates with the nsa
Do you have a source on what they provide the NSA? According to their privacy policy they don’t access customer data unless they receive a warrant requesting iCloud data, and they have no access to data on the phone itself or what is transmitted.
Recently: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/
edward snowden. according to his leaks they have been doing it since the early 2000s.
the only mechanism companies can use to disclose it somewhat is a warrant canary, and apple doesn’t have one.
I don’t put faith in everything Snowden says without explanation. Do you have a link with a detailed explanation of how this backdoor works?
Apple discloses warrant compliance on their legal site.
https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf
you’d rather put faith in a corporation?
do you have the source code we can actually review for backdoors?
So I’m guessing you don’t have a source for me?
I have one for you. It’s the history of legal battles between Apple and the FBI.
https://epic.org/documents/apple-v-fbi-2/
source code. you can link legal documents all you want to try and shift blame from apple, but fact is, privacy is still an illusion with them unless we can investigate their os for backdoors.
the snowden leaks are well estabilished fact by this point and no amount of “but its not their fault!” will change it regardless of if its true or not.
They didn’t do anything “with Apple”. The NSA added splitters to fiber optic lines to steal information. Apple never collaborated with the NSA, nor gave them information willingly.
thats simply not true
Says a lot about the sorry state of Android doesn’t it?
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Just because something has market share doesn’t mean it’s good.
@fuckwit_mcbumcrumble @AProfessional windows
Cheap is a thing isn’t it. I hear Walmart is popular. Poor people love cheap.
I’m not so sure this holds up as well as it once did. You can get some pretty cheap iPhones and Apple even sells some more value-oriented options , although not as cheap as some crappy Android phones. You can also buy Androids much more expensive than any iPhone.
But I hear what you’re saying. I believe you are saying that cheap often means more popular but that doesn’t mean good.
Said another way, Apple sells more smart phone hardware than any other phone manufacturer on the planet. Samsung being a strong second place at 24% of the world.
@simplejack @AProfessional no you have to stick to the “this one company doesn’t sell as much as all of the other companies combined” view of it
because
Give up all your data to google. You are the product.
This is generally true, but no more than what you do with an iPhone to Apple. Except with the iPhone Apple decides how much, where on Android you can prevent giving data to Google to the degree you wish.
There is no doubt Android phones have more freedom than iPhone. It’s not even reasonably debatable.
Assuming your phone allows it. Not every phone is rootable or has an unlocked bootloader.
Who said I ever signed into Google?
This phone has never been signed into any accounts on the Android OS level, I’ve never activated location services, and I don’t even have a SIM card.
I run WiFi only, with alternate app stores and the ability to transfer apps from one phone to another by copying APK installer files.
Not every Android user is totally stuck to Google.
Whats the point in having a phone if you don’t do any phone things with it?
There are alternate apps and services that don’t depend on Google. I’m responding from one such service right now.
I’ve also been using the same TextNow number since 2016. You know, VOIP WiFi phone service? I even debugged the TextNow app back in 2016, they’re actually damn glad to have me as a regular free user.
There are ways to both maintain privacy, and also use your device at the same time.
Believes he isn’t a product. Cute. But you’re full of it and a troll.
How can I be a product when they can’t figure out who I am or where I’m at?
Again, I never signed into Google in the first place.
I was wondering why you were downvoted, until I saw the name of the sub.
Apple users are definitely in a cage, but apparently they won’t even acknowledge it.
I’m not saying the phones aren’t good otherwise, but using Apple is an obvious sacrifice of digital freedom.
It really depends on the user. I mainly use iPhone, but there are definitely some odd limitations here and there. I’m glad Android exists to provide some alternative.
100% I was one of those hardcore Apple fanboys until I realised it’s turning into a cult. I stopped defending and criticising Apple and it’s policies a long time ago, even though I use iPhone and android.
Just stating the truth, where the truth should be heard no less. The sheeple will never fully realize they’re sheeple if nobody says anything…
You can’t argue someone out of a position they didn’t argue themselves into.
Hey, if I stated that on an Android community, I’m sure I’d get quite a few upvotes. But that’s not accomplishing anything now is it, that’s like talking into an echo chamber.
I don’t expect much of any upvotes for my comment, but it’s the truth. I can’t help it if Apple users don’t like hearing the truth. 🤷♂️