Sorry (🍁) we did this without making a post, but after receiving several complaints we defederated from hexbear.net yesterday.
Here’s a few quick examples of poor conduct by hexbear users:
- Spamming bullshit links to the pig poop picture: https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected]
- General trolling: https://lemmy.ca/comment/2146513
- Posting the pig poop emoji repeatedly and not adding value to discussions: https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected] https://lemmy.ca/u/[email protected]
- Calling for exections of landlords: https://lemmy.ca/comment/2154580
They warned their users to behave themselves, but that didn’t work: https://hexbear.net/post/280770?scrollToComments=false
Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated. Realize that you are a representative of the hexbear instance when you post on other instances.
Communists don’t care for that distinction, they believe all landlords (even non-exploitative ones like you mentioned) are inherrently exploitative and therefore deserving of death. Yes, this applies to you even if you just rent out a room, but don’t worry, money won’t exist and everything will be free!
This is about as garbage take as the ones being discussed.
Well, that’s what they always tell me they believe, sorry your representatives are poor ones I suppose.
Yeah, you sound like you were really receptive to what they were trying to say, I’m sure you didn’t colour it at all…
Oh well of course they give the option of just doing what they say and completely restructuring society to stay alive in most cases, but imo that doesn’t count, I think they’re really just using that as an excuse.
I hope this is doing something for your emotional needs but it’s got nothing to do with anyone else. Have fun, chief.
I just can’t align myself with ideologies like that, it is what it is. Don’t worry, I usually have fun.
I’m not commenting on your misalignment with the ideology, but rather your intellectual dishonesty. You can’t even think about “ideologies like that” without twisting your own mind up and telling yourself a bunch of lies to make yourself feel better.
I’m not saying communism is good or bad. I’m saying: you don’t know because you are unable to examine it honestly and rationally.
Yeah, talk to a few people on hexbear or lemmygrad and tell me I’m being intellectually dishonest. People on lemmy call for the death of landlords constantly, go ahead and ask thrm to specify and see if one of them makes the distinction. They always say “she’s perpetuating the capitalist system so she’s not inocent, and private property and money won’t exist after the revolution so she can forfeit her rental property or get killed, and she won’t need the income because everything will be free since there is no money and you instead own the product of your labor. At least she gets to keep the house she lives in if she capitulates!” Every fucking time. I didn’t make it up out of nowhere my dude, “I learned it from watching you.”
You clearly don’t know what you are talking about
No u.
All landlords for profit are exploitative. All profit is exploitative. You’re literally on the piracy instance, why would you wanna suck off capitalists? lmao
“Capitalists” aren’t some all powerful boogeyman stealing your essence in the night, especially when you broaden the category from “actually evil corporations” to pensioners or families renting out their starter home, or some guy renting out a room. I don’t feel it’s right to slaughter the nice old woman who rented us the punk house back in the day simply for trying to afford her meds in retirement, no. Sorry, but we’re just not gonna get me to agree that killing innocent people is “good.”
No, they’re all powerful boogeymen in control of our entire society who have us sell our bodies just to live. They do all this in daylight where it can be seen, and are such clever con artists are to make fools think it’s good and normal to do so.
I never claimed that, nor do I wish to kill the guilty, but if wishing execution (a penalty under law) of an oppressive class is not “killing innocent people”.
But go off
And when this didn’t happen? Because on USSR you could go to jail if you didn’t work.
On every society, if you want to enjoy things made by it and not do your part, you are just a parasite, just like the capitalists you are against. So maybe you are a capitalist wanna be
Who said anything about the USSR being good?
Funny that you go to the old “you’re just jealous and that’s why you hate capitalism so much” pov though. I have no interest in your bad faith arguments, so I’m not gonna engage further than this. Google what arguments people use against that or something if that’ll make you feel better.
I’m not talking about jealousy, I’m talking about people who just want to parasite other peoples work while they(you) think work is something made only by bourgeoisie
Yes yes my landlady was part of some secret cabal that runs the world. I’ve heard this one before, next you’re gonna tell me it’s because she’s in league with the reptile jews or some nonsense, it’s all the same.
Bruh
No u.
This is actually the Canadian instance, you seem a bit lost bud.
I am Canadian lmao
Eh, maybe I misunderstood what you were saying here
I think you did. Person I was responding to had dbzer0 as their home instance, which was made with the express purpose of giving piracy on lemmy a (somewhat) dedicated home.
Gotcha, I had thought you meant the instance this thread is in. Your comment makes more sense now.
Correction, terminally-online twitter communists don’t care for the distinction. People who actually go outside and put in the work aren’t making enemies out of individuals renting out a room, they’re too busy going after giant multi-national corporations buying out all the houses so that nobody else can get them, and then jacking up the rents once there’s no alternatives.
Communism is about systems, not individuals. Anyone saying otherwise is either disinformed or is a radical liberal playing make-believe
They don’t deserve execution, they deserve a Georgist-style Land Value Tax!
I am far more right than socialists and communists and yet, what you say is something that you wouldn’t get marks for in the exams you have to take for our courses.
“Practice V Theory” I suppose. Looks good on paper when written by one smart german dude 175yr ago, works poorly when implimented by anyone else who’s tried it (oh right “it’s never been tried”).
Seriously, poke around these two communities and next time you see calls for murder ask what happens to the landlords that aren’t corporations after the revolution, just see if they don’t try to convince you why all landlords are actually deserving of death. Fantasy V Reality.
Edit: in fact, you don’t have to go far, this comment is also a reply to the one you replied to, in which he asserts (albeit thinly veiled) that they don’t want to kill “innocent people” just “landlords, all landlords, as none of them are innocent by default cause landlord.” See?
Reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=192&v=KNGIyUnLX_0&feature=youtu.be
However it is much easier to sell/convert your assets than it is to give up a political leaning. In my country the death penalty is not allowed, however in the US it is. As long as that is the case any argument that death can’t be the answer to crimes (and this is what they demand) can’t really be done.
This is legalism.
Besides during Covid we did see how eager Corporations and Governments were with letting people die, so 5 years ago I would’ve taken your argument with more seriousness.
All in all your arguments fall flat with what they tell. Do I think that during revolutions people might die? Yes. I do believe that the use of violence by states is something they have to do to remain states. They use violence even for internal matters that are about shares of profit of society (political economy) and kill people.
Does this instance’s want for civility clash with their instance’s post? Yes. Do their posters do act uncivil on this instance? Not all, but some, which could be banned. The admins take a quicker approach that targets innocent posters, that use of force (control over the instance) is due to the admins quasi-monopoly on admin powers, too. So ultimately it was a decision of the admins.
In certain circumstances.* Here is the wiki article on US Capital Punishment. Note: “It is usually applied for only the most serious crimes, like aggravated murder.” So you and that other joker are telling me that “charging rent” is just like beating multiple women’s heads in with a tire iron and fucking the corpses (what got Ted Bundy put to death)? Even if you see entering a mutually agreed upon contract in which a homeowner charges rent to maintain the dwelling you pay rent for, as inherently exploitative, which again is debatable, one does not get put to death for exploitation, the get at maximum a prison sentence. You really don’t have to look far to find these clowns, you are one.
Ah yes, so Law=Right? Guess we need to start murdering anyone who breaks the smallest law huh? Sounds like a good plan to me. So, if say Georgia makes it legal to execute trans people is that ok? No? But “It’s legalism,” like you said! OH and that means slavery and the holocaust which were legal were also cool?
OOOORRRR murdering people is wrong even with the backing of the government. Personally I’m on that side, but good to know you disagree I suppose.
Whether you want to believe it or not, nonaction is not the same as putting the bullet in someone’s brain pan yourself. If you see them as the same you should feel real bad about all those starving kids in third world countries you’re personally killing right now.
This isn’t about your instance, this is about “this is what these people actually believe.” You’re following conmen.
Enough people in the US were killed for crimes way smaller what you describe, even people that we know were innocent and there are still people facing the death penalty that are innocent.
However unhoused people face a much higher risk to death, systematic coercion for rent and what is combined with it is coercing with the threat of not having a safe place during catastrophes, yes that is more than a small crime (if you take their position). It would be more akin to running organized crime.
My solution for that isn’t what they suggest, but don’t take the worst possible interpretation about them, then you will show more what you think about them.
You need to sit down on a bench and listen to some introductory philosophy and politics lectures.
If you agree that killing (which isn’t murder, the latter being a legal distinction) people is wrong what did you do to stop the people dying from Covid, dying from the climate catastrophe, etc.?