History will paint Biden very kindly. This speech will be the example of a humble, good man.
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Not for you. Always has been trump and always will be. I noticed you immediately started criticizing Harris the moment things changed, no matter how many straws you needed to grasp at
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“You know, in recent weeks it’s become clear to me that I need to unite my party in this critical endeavor. I believe my record as president, my leadership in the world, my vision for America’s future all merited a second term,” Biden said. “But nothing, nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy. That includes personal ambition. So, I’ve decided the best way forward is to pass the torch to a new generation. It’s the best way to unite our nation.”
It’s mind boggling the “new generation” to pass the torch to is nearly 60.
i would vote for a geriatric chimpanzee in a coma over trump
It’s sad that is clearly the right decision though.
i would vote for a magic 8 ball over trump
It would probably be right more often than tRump! But -1 for lack of opposable thumbs.
Hot take: 60 is a perfect age. It’s when most people (especially lawyers) have a ton of experience, but are mentally just as sharp as 30 year olds. In ancient human societies she’d be “an elder” in charge.
I’ll take 60 over 80.
There’s a ton of trolls in here who can’t celebrate anything good while anything bad is happening. Yes, his response to the genocide in Israel was abysmal. I have no illusions that the right would have done any better, and in fact believe Trump would have thrown more fuel on it. I’m ecstatic that Biden is not running again so that maybe Kamala can finally fucking do something about it. But I think we can take five seconds to admit that he did a lot of good for our country in other ways and made the right call here in dropping out.
For those who won’t budge:
There’s literally no winning, huh? Any flaw or misstep is enough to complain about and use as a reason to abstain or be an accelerationist. Y’all will claim Biden and Dems are monsters for their flaws. All that does is hurt the sane side of our government and make the actual fascists who have done so much worse have a better chance at taking over.
Can y’all please please please not let perfect be the enemy of good for once in your miserable life? This thinking is what brought us Trump in the first place, and while I can agree we need to do better, start at the local level, because only caring when we’re on another brinkmanship presidential race makes you look like short-sighted toddlers.
it’s pretty telling that, for all the biden bashing and accusations of “you support genocide!!!” in this thread, i see very few concrete actionable suggestions from those people about what everyone should be doing right now. beyond “sToP sAyInG gOoD tHiNgS aBoUt BiDeN”
LOL
no.
Look, all these posts from accounts on lemmygrad, chapotraphouse members, lemmy.ml…they’re all bullshit. I’m convinced that they are entirely Russian trolls. There is no making them happy with slightly left of center. It seems they’ll never be happy until America has been destroyed. There is no point to placating them or even acknowledging their existence.
The “genocide Joe” moniker was particularly stupid. Do you really think Joe Biden was going to single handedly denounce Israel and kill off a key strategic alliance because of a few extremists? It is a completely silly notion.
they’ll never be happy until America has been destroyed
it’s important to slap down the nonsense and call out the bullshit at every opportunity. they’re coming out of the woodwork to harass and manipulate everyone into second guessing themselves, for the sole purpose of getting trump into the white house.
fuck that shit.
The problem is this isn’t true. I hate Biden but I despise the way Trump makes him look decent comparatively. How long can keep running slightly worse candidates compared to your previous one (hopefully Harris bucks this trend)?
People who call out Biden get called single issue voters; by people who’s only concern is Trump doesn’t get elected. They are ignoring absymal healthcare, terrible foreign policy, horrible housing prices, costly food bills, even the stable finicial sector is now losing jobs due to the AI craze.
I understand why people are worried about Trump. Still, we need candidates who actually want to run the country correctly and not just cater to the rich. We cannot sacrifice everything because the news makes Trump to be all powerful.
harass and manipulate everyone into second guessing themselves, for the sole purpose of getting trump into the white house.
You are gas lighting. We need to start caling this everytime we see it. Otherwise, you would bother people on Truth Social and Twitter (or even reddit which actually has a population that could matter in a national election) if you wanted people to stop voting for Trump. But that would make too much sense.
Gaslighting? What?
You’re never going to get the perfect candidate until we reform elections (ranked choice, more parties, get rid of citizens united).
Gaslighting is a colloquialism, defined as manipulating someone into questioning their own perception of reality. - Wikipedia
You cannot blame us for not liking Biden when he does not cater to us. We are not the problem, even if you manage to phrase the issue to make it seem we are at fault.
You’re never going to get the perfect candidate until we reform elections (ranked choice, more parties, get rid of citizens united).
Absolutely keep voting the most liberal Congress people you can. But let’s not kid ourselves: you have to vote for the people who want reform election to get reform election - and Biden isn’t one of those people.
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Is Trump?
Trump is a distraction. He’s a tool to compromise values and pretend we have a common goal. Yelling at Biden accomplished more already than fearing Trump.
When you say slightly left of center, to whom are you referring? Bernie wasn’t allowed to run for President.
Slapping a rainbow sticker on capitalism doesn’t make the Democrats leftists. We have two conservative parties in this country, just one that’s evolving into their final form (fascism). Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be voting for Harris in November and I’m ecstatic that Biden stepped aside. But if all the leftists online are “Russian bots”, than all you centrists are pro-capitalism LLMs. And we’ll be right back in the same position in four years.
Leaving aside the actual political substance of your comment. Don’t you think it’s a bit… Head in the sand to assume anyone who disagrees with you is some “Russian troll”? I know we all exist in social media bubbles, myself included, but my social circles and my online circles all share “radical” concerns about the administration and country in general but it generally comes from a genuine desire for our politicians and therefore country to be and do better. We’re all Americans just like (I presume) you.
I joined lemmy.ml cause of the FOSS stuff but I’m learning it comes with a reputation I didn’t know about.
In my childhood (in Russia) I’d talk this way about Russia. So they might be real.
I just (EDIT: later) realized later that many of the good things around me are too, well, not from Mars.
And that many of the bad things around me are absolutely not specific to Russia or ex-USSR.
And that one thing absolutely right is scolding all you don’t like and not bowing your head, because when you accept fools and their foolery because of some false “lesser evil”, you lose.
Not all of them are trolls. Shit, I’ve met tankies more libertarian that a lot of people “not interested in politics”, because the norm for that grey mass has shifted to a really dark place.
Trump essentially said he would just let Israel “finish the job”. So yeah, throwing fuel on it is exactly what he would have done. Turned Israel loose.
Finding a reason to permanently write somebody off as bad is the way of the
sithconservatives.There’s a ton of trolls in here who can’t celebrate anything good while anything bad is happening.
The spectacle of the presidential election has diverted a lot of attention away from the genocide in Palestine, the upswell in COVID infections and deaths nationally, and the decaying domestic infrastructure driven by climate change. Biden’s retirement isn’t changing any of that.
There’s literally no winning, huh?
Kamala’s been the heir designate to the party for less than a week and she’s already writing condemnation letters aimed at Palestinian Rights protesters in DC. Its a grim state of affairs, particularly with the police violence on student campuses still fresh in people’s minds.
Can y’all please please please not let perfect be the enemy of good
We’re waiting for some good. So far, we’ve had a bumper crop of cutesy memes and a bit of relief from the deeply depressing poll numbers that signaled Trump would receive a free ride into the White House in November. But we’re still waiting for a candidate to put more on the table than her famous “$20k in relief for a Pell Grant Recipient who runs a business in a disadvantaged community for at least three years”.
Not everyone is happy to open their wallets and bust out the walking shoes for just any generic liberal candidate.
I cannot wrap my mind around this level of privilege. In all honesty I really can’t. I don’t think there’s a thing I could do to change your opinion and this nugget:
Not everyone is happy to open their wallets and bust out the walking shoes for just any generic liberal candidate.
Suggests you or others with your opinions won’t vote because… she’s generic? Or didn’t do enough yet? And claiming that Biden dropping out won’t end the genocide, so let’s not see it as positive?
What saint would you prefer we vote in? Can you explain how they are both morally spotlessly pure AND have a snowball’s chance in hell? If you’re convincing enough, maybe that second coming of Jesus will lead us to a utopia. /s
Some of us are not in the position of being able to use a foreign tragedy as our stopping block. Some of us have our rights and safety on the line.
I cannot wrap my mind around this level of privilege.
Folks on Lemmy think this entire election revolves around them.
This is the biggest self-own, wow.
I just stole this and it’s already relevant
If stopping genocide is your biggest issue, I suggest going to rail against in it right-wing spaces instead. There’s a lot more pro-genocide to stop there.
rail against in it right-wing spaces instead
If you’re defending a genocidal administration, you’re a right-winger.
At first, I was pissed that he didn’t bow out two months ago.
Now I have nothing but respect for the man. He realized when to step aside and let his partner take the reign, and did so with effective enough timing to throw a massive wrench into the republicans’ plans.
If Kamala wins, history will see him as the kind elder statesman who knew when to step aside for the good of the country.
John Adams is the first American president to make unpopular decision and did not let ego rule him, despite losing him the election. Americans were baying for blood to go to war against the French in 1799 but Adams refused, knowing that America will lose if he declared war. It cost him his re-election, but he did the right thing.
Edit: wrong year
John Adams is the first American president to make unpopular decision
Nobody tell this guy about the Whiskey Rebellion.
Couldn’t agree more and his words on the matter were really touching.
I just hope the party as a whole can keep this up. I have never felt like the party cared more about being in touch with the people than it does now.
I do agree, but also in 4-8 years I’d like an actual competitive primary. Like the kind Obama won
If Trump wins, history will remember Biden as “the antichrist, bringer of despair, slow witted grim reaper, sad.”*
*This antiwoke curriculum is approved by the council of Gilead.
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honest question, are you guys making any headway outside of hexbear and lemmygrad? i mean i’m sure everyone loves you in your safe space, but you have to know your “vote josevlad marxtalin 2024!!!” stance is pretty laughable out in the world
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So, serious question: Do you only step up to defend other countries, or are the people in the U.S., where I assume you live, also on the agenda for the evening? Cause yeah, Genocide is pretty shit. Evil even.
What about the black communities?
Homeless?
Native American?
Disabled?
Veterans?
Children?
And the larger issue of fucking fascism that leads to precisely what you’re so stuck yelling about blindly?
Here’s what I think: Most of you are parrots. Actual sentient wagons transformed into people. Many of you don’t have many details, you kneejerk on issues that cannot be approached from any other angle than “Yeah, of course I agree” and challenge everyone who doesn’t immediately bow with “YOU SUPPORT GENOCIDE?!” as if you’re the seagulls from Finding Nemo. Now maybe I’m wrong. Maybe YOU stand more often. If so, why stand with the crowd who will move on when the next big thing happens?
Never, EVER, remove support for the greater good when the greater evil guarantees more suffering. Otherwise all you’re doing is becoming a part of the problem.
You can look at their history and see that since October they’ve basically commented or posted about anything else. It’s several times a day they are canvassing for “Palestine” ie. Trump.
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Your track record seems to have zero criticism of Republicans, when we know Trump would be far worse in supporting Israeli warcrimes. Just this once, can you come out and say that Trump would actually be worse for the one topic you ever seem to discuss?
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I want you to think loooong and hard about what you just said. Really consider it.
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calling me pro-genocide doesn’t make it so. no matter how hard you try.
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Hmm but Extra Militant Joffrey can lay the actions of Israel all at the feet of the POTUS as though he were directly responsible, even though a second grader would easily understand that makes no sense.
Stop pretending that decades of financial support are new. They aren’t. We all know that, and your canvassing just makes you look like a liar.
So what? At the end of the day he did what people wanted, it just took a demonstration of how badly we wanted it.
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If Biden is a “genocidal maniac”, what do you label actual “genocidal maniacs”
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If Biden is a “genocidal maniac”, what do you label actual “genocidal maniacs”
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Are you denying that you have zero geopolitical experience whatsoever? Because unless you do, you have no fucking clue what Biden’s options even are, being that you’re a one note armchair political scientist without the ability to even acknowledge the most basic of realities surrounding the situation.
You obsessively post about this issue several times every day to the point that it would be weird even if you yourself were both a Palestinian and also have hard evidence that Biden himself pulled the trigger every single time someone died.
Your obsession here is beyond strange, and it makes it impossible for anyone observing to think something weird isn’t going on with you
It’s so fascinating that you simultaneously think that people can’t possibly know anything about politics if they don’t have geopolitical experience, and yet you can be absolutely certain that there is no way biden could be guilty of killing Palestinians unless he is personally executing them. Your self contradictions are so blatant, but you seem to still be completely blind to them. When you grow up, you will look back on this version of yourself as so childish.
Why respect a Genocidal maniac for stepping down only when forced to do so?
Because the alternative is they don’t step down.
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What’s “the hard way”?
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If you think Biden could’ve been forced out if he wasn’t willing to step down then you don’t know anything about politics.
I bet you were one of those people demanding the sergeant at arms arrest people who ignored subpoenas during Trump’s first impeachment.
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Not to mention he’s basically been given the green light by SCOTUS to eliminate the opposition. He’s been given supreme executive power and is choosing not to exercise it.
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Reply to the wrong post?
Yep, or because a comment got deleted before Sync knew it was gone.
“Defending Democracy”
lmao
What’s funny?
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Are you one of those “The US is a Constitutional Republic” people?
Huh. Just the other day, Trump claimed in a speech that he took a bullet for democracy. I wonder which democracy he was talking about?
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Missed the point. I’m saying conservative “we’re not a democracy, we’re a republic” bullshit is inconsistent.
No one voted for Harris. She was just… selected. Without a single vote. Democrats… spouting Democracy. fkin lol.
Her name was on the ballot in 2020, everyone who voted for Biden also voted for Harris.
You appear to be conservative, so here is the best online course I could find to teach you about the U.S. Constitution:
America’s Written Constitution by Yale University on Coursera:
- Covers themes like popular sovereignty, separation of powers, federalism, and rights.
- Taught by Professor Akhil Reed Amar.
- Includes videos, readings, and quizzes.
Let me know when you’ve completed it and we can have a real big boy conversation ;)
I should vote for the fascist then?
You should vote for whoever you feel best represents you and your needs.
So probably not the fascist.
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She also hasn’t been elected to anything yet? There’s nothing undemocratic about a party choosing who it wants to run in an election internally.
People are free not to vote for her in the general. It’s looking like this isn’t really an issue though.
Accusing others of hypocrisy is not a winning move for blatant hypocrites.
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No. We are considering multiple challenges at the same time.
His decision here does help unite the democrats and brings hope to the younger generations. But, this decision also does not absolve him of his war crimes. Both can be true.
He is stepping aside and letting his VP, who has very notably not supported Israel, take the lead. Can you shut your piehole for a second? You got what you wanted, “Genocide Joe” is no more.
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if your goal is a world where no one ever says anything good about biden, ever, then you’re in for a disappointing life.
also, if you think the united states will ever stop sending money and weapons to israel due to many many economic, geopolitical and military strategic factors–same thing, get ready for sadpepe.gif for the rest of your days.
Stop feeding him lol. Clearly incapable of nuanced conversation.
yea… he got boring much quicker than the other guy
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LOL saying “biden did a good thing” is not supporting genocide, no matter how hard some people wish it were. as others have said, you CAN oppose some of a person’s actions and praise others.
i will add though, for THIS election, trying to convince people that they’re “supporting genocide” by voting at all is not only an egregiously, laughably flawed argument, but it’s making things worse, not better
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no where in any of my comments did I say people should vote
that’s what’s called a ‘freudian slip’
If the thing you give up is obnoxious axe grinding, then yes.
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Oh God. You’re right. I better vote for someone who’s going to make the genocide stop by nuking them. After all, if we just completely eradicate them, then there’s no more genocide.
Right? That’s the answer you’re looking for?
Right?
He is?? Well, I’m not voting for him or his son, then!
I guess I’ll just have to vote for Harris instead then 🤷♂️
Maybe vote for the felon because the genocide did not happen on his watch, so he is free of all blame.
/S
And your not? Yout stopped paying your taxes right because it is genocide. I mean your not just supporting it out of a little inconvenience that might happen in your life right?
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Do you actually care about the genocide in any actionable way besides yelling at people online?
If he did, he’d be doing something about it like protesting or getting involved with local government (which involve going outside, the horrors) instead of trying to act superior to a bunch of strangers on the Internet. Doing the latter takes absolutely no effort, so that’s the lane he chooses.
bidens realtion to the actions to israel is equivalent to the voter/taxpayers relation to biden. both are bound in relationships that limit the actions they can take. Im fine with hey he could limit more of what we do in relation to what he has to do via congress but the whole supporting genocide thing then its like well then so are you and all the west by and large. you can’t make one indirect thing as being the thing and not ignore the other indirects along the line and say oh well thats to indirect.
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Good thing he bowed out then!
no he isn’t. there are many world leaders and the us is not the only one with israeli relations and support and to boot he is not the sole government of the us especially in relation to israeli relations who has massive support with some congressmen.
No one fucking forgot we just dont want the guy who says he’s going to accelerate the genocide to get in and with someone fresh it will be easier to pressure them to end our material support for the attrocities.
