I saw someone say it was because she’s supporting dems but that doesn’t seem like enough for the amount of dunking I’ve seen. Did y’all think she was so far to the left that that would be a betrayal? I’ve typically thought of her as a progressive more than a leftist. Is there some statement she made I’m not aware of?
Shamelessly stolen from r/youtubedrama I take no accountability:
A couple of things happened that culminated in her going private. First, Anti-zionist folks have been accusing her for awhile of not being outspoken enough about the genocide (despite the fact she has made her stance on the topic known repeatedly). Next, she made a post this week condemning some actual anti-semitism, stating that it was harmful to the actual end-genocide movement. This post got her some backlash from anti-zionists once again, not sure why. Then she got kinda libbed up watching the DNC and made a short tweet about how good of a speaker Obama is. The Obama tweet caused a fresh wave of people attacking her due to Obama’s war crimes, and Contrapoints started being harassed with people sending her death threats and gorey videos of what’s going on in Palestine. She made a statement about how awful and unhelpful the harassment is, and then she deleted the tweets and went to private. You can see the deleted tweets by searching for the @ContraDeletes account on twitter.
It seems like a case of chronically online people taking things way too far and eating their own. I feel bad for Natalie tbh, so I am a bit biased.
I keep running into that issue where if I watch or read pro palistine content neo Nazis, Holocaust deniers, and anti semitism starts to pop up.
One of the most uncomfortable things for me about the last almost-year is realising that loud people equating anti-zionism to antisemitism has undermined my ability to spot genuine antisemitism within the left; through organising, I got to know some Jewish pro-palestine student organisers and it was grim to see how they were a lightning rod for bigot’s hatred, and how used to it they were.
One friend had studied in Israel and said that the propaganda that’s directed towards Israelis, especially young Israelis, was horrifying to her because as well as demonising Palestinians, they leveraged generational trauma around the Holocaust. She said that it hurt to see one genocide being used to fuel another because it felt like the Holocaust was still ongoing, still claiming lives. She said that it also felt like genuine antisemitism was also platformed often with the propaganda, because it helps to reinforce the idea that Jewish people will never be safe without a Jewish state.
She also said that buying into this rhetoric is why she used to be pro-zionism. What really sticks with me is when she explained how her position on the matter changed, she described it as a mounting sense of cognitive dissonance that begin to morph into dread as she realised how the cycle of violence perpetuates: “we were told that Palestinians wanted to exterminate and that it was necessary to fight back. Realising the lie in this came with the horrifying thought of ‘oh God, if they didn’t want to kill us all before, they surely must now’. This was so scary that I almost rebounded back into being Zionist, but the truth of it is that Palestinians, like Jews, just want to live and be safe”.
This struck me because I hadn’t realised how much Israel’s genocide of Palestine depended on constructing Jewish people as an “other”. Another person in that discussion commented that even if they only cared for the lives of Jews, they would still be anti-Zionist, because under such rhetoric of hate, the cycle of genocidal violence will continue, and no-one will be safe — Jews, Palestinians or otherwise
Appreciated reading your thoughts, thanks for taking the time to type that out and share.
Have you tried not using twitter anymore? /s
I totally get you, sometimes nazis co-opt the palestine issue to spout some racist shit about jewish people, and some of the real pro-palestine protestors I think are being/becoming anti-semitic because of their anger about the genocide Israel is currently conducting/ has been conducting since it’s inception. (Not trying to justify the anti-semitism here btw.)
From what my limited reading about it has shown me, is that this is a bigger issue online than in real-life protests.
True, only online I have seen it. Queer circles I run in would shut the shit down fast. I don’t have twitter,reddit, or Facebook anymore. Just something I have seen on YouTube and substack.
Yeah, there’s a reason why the main people ranting about Zionism this time last year were neo nazis. It’s a term which is commonly understood to suggest the dismantlement of the Jewish state, and all the violence that would surely entail. Even in the most linguistically favorable scenario, it’s just not a position any honest geopolitical observer could really put forward as a realistic solution, which causes many to assume it is a dog whistle.
The palestine liberation movement would really do well to avoid some of the more problematic language they seem to have given a home. I honestly believe the reason this is happening is because a lot of this is being put forward by well intentioned young people who may not fully understand the implications of this linguistic history. The movement doesn’t need it, and would be stronger without it.
Objective application of international law puts the existence of the state of Israel on pretty shaky ground. It’s not an unreasonable position at all to support the dismantling of the state, as it’s an apartheid occupation engaged in active genocide by nearly global consensus. Jewish opposition to Zionism has been present since its inception. Any co-opting of the movement into anti-semitism is opportunistic and not inherent in any way.
Sure, there are arguments to be made that Israel is the original sin of the post war nation state, but it’s not realistic to expect that cat to go back in that bag. There is plenty of land for both an Islamic and Secular state in the levant, provided both agree to coexist, and the international community agrees to enforce international law evenly. And I really do emphasize that last point.
How? They’ve divided the land and are ensuring it stays that way by continuing to take land. And if one had the support of the US empire it would keep abusing Palestine even after statehood, like the US does to the global south today. It would be better as one big secular state, especially since you’re going to have to change a bunch of things to make a two state solution work anyway.
A two state solution is better than what they have now and if they can get it, it’s progress, but ideally one state all the way, which requires dismantling Israel. Which happens all the time btw. South Africa completely changed its government. Israel as a country isn’t even that old. Neither is Russia or everything in the USSR, which I saw change. Or Yugoslavia, which was a country during my lifetime, too. The cat can totally go back in the bag, the structures of nation states isn’t set in some holy stone.
That sucks for her.
Os just Twitter drama? People need to get off that site. It’s just racist Nazis on one side, and the left eating itself on the other.
Imagine using the term “libbed up” unironically
You’re revealing more than you suspect. Imagine showing that you’re not very engaged yet still have an opinion.
I’m probably pretty out of the loop on that as well, but I know she did a video about how she was “cancelled” for doing a collaboration with a trans man who none-the-less had some pretty exclusionary views on who was allowed to call themselves “trans”. Something about distinguishing between transgendered and transsexual. I don’t remember the specifics, but some people in the LGBTQ community kindof hated him for things he’d said and Contrapoints, unaware of this, had this hated figure do some voice work in one of her videos and there was a lot of blowback for that.
Pretty sure this video is the one where she explains all that, and of course goes into her analysis and social comentary on the topic of cancelling in general.
It was Buck Angel, and when I first came out a dozen years ago his views were already trending towards yikes but he was not nearly the pariah he became when the transmedicalist discourse really flared up. Back then he was called “tranpa” (like Grandpa) and still respected for his advocacy during a time when there were few visible trans men doing that work. And iirc he was just given a role reading a quote in a vid, there wasn’t much of a platform to be had there. I don’t think he should have been in that video, but I’m also not someone clamoring to cancel her.
It feels like cancelling someone for not understanding the political leanings of a porn star is kinda dumb. I guess I’ve never thought of him more than someone who was used in memes.
I wish people knew more about Lou Sullivan and Alan Hart. We’ve got the U2 guys kid, Elliot Page (who is pretty cool), and a weird transmedicalist who simultaneously thinks that bottom surgery is mutilation (and did porn).
Don’t worry I’m sure someone will explain rationally instead of just calling you bigoted for asking this.
Champagne socialist, IMO. Comes from wealth and privilege and makes a stupid amount from Patreon subs, most of which probably have no clue what Natalie’s net worth is. Has good opinions sometimes but I don’t know, personally I just find it weird as hell when literal millionaires act like they’re for the people while simultaneously living that bougee lifestyle because they can’t fathom living like regular folks and perhaps using their wealth to help regular folks out.
It weirds me out that a millionaire leftist sees fit to ask her working class supporters for money while hiding her net worth and how much she pulls in from Patreon each month.
I’ve gotten tons of hate for this opinion in the past and I fully expect it now, because Contrapoints has reached Breadtube royalty status.
If I’m starving and someone claiming to be my ally has a chest freezer full of steaks in their basement that they’re seemingly squirreling away… I don’t think it’s hard to see why there’s some discomfort there.
This is somehow the case with many “leftist creators” who made it big. Like, we don’t expect them to wear rags but they definitely should give back to the community, however that would look like. Anyway I still like many of her video essays and won’t stop watching them but if I have money to spend I will do so on a homeless shelter and not a creator’s patreon lmao
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Homie, I don’t even know who that is. I’ve not seen anyone talking about them on lemmy or mastodon yet (haven’t scrolled much today so far though).
Gotta remember, the kind of crowd you’re asking questions to here is going to run heavy to people that don’t pay attention to the kind of person that’s not known by anything but their user name on whatever it is, if they aren’t hugely well known.
Do you have any links to help people that might be willing to try and figure out an answer despite not knowing who it is?
If you literally just use your preferential search engine you will find that the top result gives you the answer you seek to who the person OP is referring to. Just because you do not know someone does not mean that they don’t meet a specific magic threshold that needs to be met in order for someone to ask questions.
Well, they can ask anything they want, that’s fine.
But why should anyone waste their time searching for some random term?
Any given post that’s asking a question is a request for a person to spend their time doing something for the poster. There are some people willing to go the extra mile and look up things they have no interest in at all. There’s others that won’t go that far, but would look into the subject with a little groundwork already done.
In this case OP is asking about not the person themselves, but the response to that person. There’s no mention of where those responses are, and no information to help with that.
Now, there may still be people willing to look up the person, then track down whatever it is OP is talking about regarding that person catching heat, then come back and cobble together an answer. But there’s less of those than there are that would follow links and then expand a search.
I’m not asking for more information for myself to do this. IDGAF. I’m trying to guide OP to getting the answer they want, faster.
It isn’t about a magic threshold to ask. It’s about helping the crowd come up with a useful answer.
On a personal level, why the fuck would I want to search for some random person by user name? Anybody out there that’s publicly known by a user name instead of an actual name isn’t worth the time of looking up, which is extra true if the platform the user name is on isn’t known. Again, that’s for me personally; anyone else is perfectly free to do whatever they like.
It would have cost you 0$ to just not post anything at all.
“IDGAF”
posts a 27 page essay
also, don’t fucking lie, your initial post wasn’t to help out OP like you claim, it was to complain about OP not providing info about a popular youtuber you do not know about.
A little tip for next time: If you don’t know the answer, you can just ignore the question :)
Boy, it sure is nice to be a psychic that can read minds across the other internet! Guess what I’m thinking now
I’m not even going to bother reading what you wrote.
Not every question is directed personally at you.
I think your comment was reasonable. Just wanted to add this to the other “you should have just Googled it” replies.
She’s a very popular longform video essayist.
She’s also trans, so I assume any undeserved hate stems from that.
That would explain a right wing whining binge for sure.
Is she any good? I tend not to enjoy video essays, which means me trying to evaluate that would be pointless.
Her work is pretty archetypical of video essays and I reckon she’s probably been pretty influential in helping that genre of media to form. From that, I’d guess that you might not like her stuff if you don’t click with video essays.
Much appreciated :)
Yeah, anti-zionists are pretty infamous for hating trans people.
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Dude, what the heck are you thinking, saying that?
Take a chill pill
I have taken my chill pill. Apologies, it was way too angry. I am trying to argue less like that, deleted it the moment I sent it. Sorry it wasn’t removed from your inbox
There’s like 10 people here so not hearing it here is not a surprise lol
