• Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Let’s make it more interesting. Name a place where communism has taken hold and has worked as intended without a ruling class and without resorting to human rights violations of their citizens

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        3 months ago

        Why don’t you just say where and when you lived under a communist regime?

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          3 months ago

          Why are you so insistent I doxx myself to you? For a person defending communism you sure do seem to want to throw me in a dungeon for wrong think

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            I’m not the one who claimed to have lived under a communist regime. You did.

            Are you still living under a communist regime?

            Would simply stating where and when you live under a communist regime put you in danger?

            If so then why did you volunteer that information on a public Internet forum?

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        The downvotes say it all. No one in favour of it here seems able to have an honest discussion.

        If you are genuinely unable to see that any political system, no matter how great in theory, doesn’t translate that simply into reality because of human behaviour, then you’ve got some reading and thinking to do.

        The attitude towards communism here comes across like a cult. Present facts or a reasonable point of discussion, you get shouted down/strawmanned, othered, etc.

        Ironically, the very behaviour that stops things like communism working in reality.

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          3 months ago

          China is also extremely capitalist, but yeah it’s really easy to pretend how great it is there when you’re so willing to completely ignore all the reasons it’s not

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            China is not “extremely” capitalist; its capitalism is intentionally limited. To paraphrase Grover Norquist, the Chinese government keeps capitalism to the size where it can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. It may appear massive & dominant to you, because 1) you see almost nothing but products by Chinese capitalist companies and 2) you’re not accounting for the full scope and size of China’s population and their production and consumption.

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          Why did you bring up China? Wasn’t involved in the conversation, doesn’t qualify as a communist nation, hasn’t claimed to be for a while actually.

          Sure China has done some impressive things but those two “weak-ass” arguments you brought up are neither weak nor small. China is an authoritarian state that abuses its people. You could unfortunately say that about many counties though.