How is giving your vote to whoever becomes the largest by not voting winning anything? You can do all the other things you mentioned and still make a conscious choice to do the least harm by not voting a demagogue in. It’s just one of the many steps you can take as a person wishing to influence the world around you.
Just like eating no meat or less meat. Will it fix everything wrong with farming? No. Does that mean you should just start buying more meat and not eat it, letting it rot in your fridge instead? Also no! No one cares if you did that and it accomplishes nothing except make the problem much worse, which is exactly what not voting gets you.
If we protest, but then don’t vote, nothing will change. So voting in records numbers is the answer. Specifically, in our present case, voting for the party that wants to improve things incrementally over fascists.
Please provide examples to justify your claim. I’d like to know more. I’ll give you your first one since it’s everywhere in the headlines nowadays - weapons to Israel.
Believing in lies doesn’t make them true. The Republicans are fascists who believe immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country and that the genes of people of color predispose them to be criminals. Just because Republicans believe it doesn’t make it true.
And the Democrats are perpetrating a genocide, sending cops and SWAT after students and people protesting that genocide, not letting them talk at the DNC, and trying to suppress their freedom of speech and assembly. That’s also very fascist.
The Democrats are neoliberals. As neoliberals, they are both center-right and institutionalists, so they do stuff like police crack downs on protesters. This is not fascism on its own. Denying a speaking slot to the Uncommitted Movement was a strategic failure, but it is not fascism.
Biden is a Zionist, so on top of sticking to 70 years of US foreign policy of allying with Israel he has been actively complicit in genocide. Zionism is a form of fascism that attempts to manipulate Jews and Christians alike to build a Jewish ethnostate. Not everyone who is a self-described Zionist is inherently bought into the actual ideology. There are plenty of people who want a place for Jewish people to be safe. Zionism is not that, but there have been plenty of people who have been fooled into thinking it is. Biden is not a fascist, but he has given the fascists in Israel nearly everything they wanted. Thankfully Biden has so far refused Israel’s request to attack Iran.
Also, thankfully Kamala is running for president, not Biden. Kamala is not a lifelong Zionist. Kamala has said she is willing to defend Israel, but being willing to defend a long standing ally is not the same as letting them do whatever they want. Under Kamala, the Democrats are going to do everything in their power to get a ceasefire deal to end the war and the genocide.
Trump is on record as saying Israel needs to finish what they started. Trump is going to let Israel complete its genocide of the Palestinians. He’s going to allow the war to continue indefinitely so Benjamin Netanyahu can stay out of prison, deny Palestinian statehood, and form a greater Israel by conquering as much of the Middle East as possible.
The Republican Party has been taken over by the fascist MAGA movement, not the Democratic Party. Trump is the fascist, not Kamala. And Trump being elected would be worse for the Palestinians and the Middle East as a whole. So we should strategically vote for Kamala.
Kamala has already said they won’t institute an arms embargo, which is basically the one material thing she can do to restrict Israel, and has put all the blame on Iran. Without that on the table and the other rhetoric, she’s saying the same thing as Trump but with nicer words, she will allow them to finish the job. Sure she’s covering it by saying she’ll try for a ceasefire, but so has Biden for months now and that’s gone well. The war with Iran she’s hinting at is basically Biden’s policy and it plays right into Israel’s hand. It let’s them continue the he genocide, avoid a ceasefire, take more land, keep elections suspended and Bibi in power, and let’s us continue to destabilize the Middle East as we have always done. Trump’s rhetoric is bloodthirsty, Kamala’s is ostensibly more apologetic (except for the most lethal army in the world bit), but in the end, it’s the same thing.
I was hopeful Kamala was different than Biden, too, but so far, she has not shown any difference whatsoever. To believe otherwise is naive, it’s trusting in the same lie that’s been repeated for months and led to nothing. She’d have to say something concrete to change my mind again, like she’s replacing Blinken with someone more progressive or she will agree to stop vetoing resolutions against Israel, or something. Just saying you’re going to work at a ceasefire without saying how is just running on vibes.
Kamala wants a ceasefire and Trump does not. These positions are not the same. With Kamala we have a chance to make things better. With Trump they will only get worse. The fact Israel is sabotaging efforts to achieve a ceasefire is not indicative that Kamala does not mean what she says. Wanting things to get better and wanting them to get worse are not the same.
Kamala chose Tim Walz over Josh Shapiro, a Zionist. Kamala met with leaders of the Uncommitted Movement. So Kamala has shown she is going to be different than Biden.
Kamala is getting rid of Blinken. They phrased it as Blinken wouldn’t stay even if she asked, but she’s not asking. It’s safe to assume that there will be a change in US foreign policy for the better where the US will be less lenient to Israel. Again, considering how the US position on Israel has not changed in 70 years this is a substantial improvement. Democrats got rid of Biden and put Kamala in his place on the ticket. It is possible to move the needle further, but we need our democracy in order to do that. Under a christo-fascist dictatorship US foreign policy can only get worse.
Lord.
The Lord won’t help us on this one; we need to be the ones to fight for what we demand.
The civil rights movements happened because people were fed up with the status quo.
How is giving your vote to whoever becomes the largest by not voting winning anything? You can do all the other things you mentioned and still make a conscious choice to do the least harm by not voting a demagogue in. It’s just one of the many steps you can take as a person wishing to influence the world around you.
Just like eating no meat or less meat. Will it fix everything wrong with farming? No. Does that mean you should just start buying more meat and not eat it, letting it rot in your fridge instead? Also no! No one cares if you did that and it accomplishes nothing except make the problem much worse, which is exactly what not voting gets you.
Again, the duopoly is the staus quo, it will not help fix the systematic problems our society faces.
Then get involved in a 3rd party that works against the republican fascists and coordinates with Democrats for ballot access like WFP.
Whining about “the duopoly” and not voting will just move things further right.
There is the right to cast a vote, also a right to protest.
Please don’t confuse the two and protest by not voting.
Voting and protesting: to create a better society, people need to be willing to demand more than what the status quo can provide.
Heads up. “Left of Shill Stein” is what most know to be called democrats.
The presidential election year before the Voting Rights Act of 1965 saw relatively high voter turnout. 61.4%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections
People voted in the Democratic Party candidate by a wide margin. 61.1%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_United_States_presidential_election
If we protest, but then don’t vote, nothing will change. So voting in records numbers is the answer. Specifically, in our present case, voting for the party that wants to improve things incrementally over fascists.
I see the duopoly as the fascists, though…
Please provide examples to justify your claim. I’d like to know more. I’ll give you your first one since it’s everywhere in the headlines nowadays - weapons to Israel.
Maybe the real fascists were the friends we made along the way
Believing in lies doesn’t make them true. The Republicans are fascists who believe immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country and that the genes of people of color predispose them to be criminals. Just because Republicans believe it doesn’t make it true.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/07/trump-immigrants-crime-00182702
And the Democrats are perpetrating a genocide, sending cops and SWAT after students and people protesting that genocide, not letting them talk at the DNC, and trying to suppress their freedom of speech and assembly. That’s also very fascist.
The Democrats are neoliberals. As neoliberals, they are both center-right and institutionalists, so they do stuff like police crack downs on protesters. This is not fascism on its own. Denying a speaking slot to the Uncommitted Movement was a strategic failure, but it is not fascism.
Biden is a Zionist, so on top of sticking to 70 years of US foreign policy of allying with Israel he has been actively complicit in genocide. Zionism is a form of fascism that attempts to manipulate Jews and Christians alike to build a Jewish ethnostate. Not everyone who is a self-described Zionist is inherently bought into the actual ideology. There are plenty of people who want a place for Jewish people to be safe. Zionism is not that, but there have been plenty of people who have been fooled into thinking it is. Biden is not a fascist, but he has given the fascists in Israel nearly everything they wanted. Thankfully Biden has so far refused Israel’s request to attack Iran.
Also, thankfully Kamala is running for president, not Biden. Kamala is not a lifelong Zionist. Kamala has said she is willing to defend Israel, but being willing to defend a long standing ally is not the same as letting them do whatever they want. Under Kamala, the Democrats are going to do everything in their power to get a ceasefire deal to end the war and the genocide.
Trump is on record as saying Israel needs to finish what they started. Trump is going to let Israel complete its genocide of the Palestinians. He’s going to allow the war to continue indefinitely so Benjamin Netanyahu can stay out of prison, deny Palestinian statehood, and form a greater Israel by conquering as much of the Middle East as possible.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
The Republican Party has been taken over by the fascist MAGA movement, not the Democratic Party. Trump is the fascist, not Kamala. And Trump being elected would be worse for the Palestinians and the Middle East as a whole. So we should strategically vote for Kamala.
Kamala has already said they won’t institute an arms embargo, which is basically the one material thing she can do to restrict Israel, and has put all the blame on Iran. Without that on the table and the other rhetoric, she’s saying the same thing as Trump but with nicer words, she will allow them to finish the job. Sure she’s covering it by saying she’ll try for a ceasefire, but so has Biden for months now and that’s gone well. The war with Iran she’s hinting at is basically Biden’s policy and it plays right into Israel’s hand. It let’s them continue the he genocide, avoid a ceasefire, take more land, keep elections suspended and Bibi in power, and let’s us continue to destabilize the Middle East as we have always done. Trump’s rhetoric is bloodthirsty, Kamala’s is ostensibly more apologetic (except for the most lethal army in the world bit), but in the end, it’s the same thing.
I was hopeful Kamala was different than Biden, too, but so far, she has not shown any difference whatsoever. To believe otherwise is naive, it’s trusting in the same lie that’s been repeated for months and led to nothing. She’d have to say something concrete to change my mind again, like she’s replacing Blinken with someone more progressive or she will agree to stop vetoing resolutions against Israel, or something. Just saying you’re going to work at a ceasefire without saying how is just running on vibes.
Kamala wants a ceasefire and Trump does not. These positions are not the same. With Kamala we have a chance to make things better. With Trump they will only get worse. The fact Israel is sabotaging efforts to achieve a ceasefire is not indicative that Kamala does not mean what she says. Wanting things to get better and wanting them to get worse are not the same.
Kamala chose Tim Walz over Josh Shapiro, a Zionist. Kamala met with leaders of the Uncommitted Movement. So Kamala has shown she is going to be different than Biden.
Kamala is getting rid of Blinken. They phrased it as Blinken wouldn’t stay even if she asked, but she’s not asking. It’s safe to assume that there will be a change in US foreign policy for the better where the US will be less lenient to Israel. Again, considering how the US position on Israel has not changed in 70 years this is a substantial improvement. Democrats got rid of Biden and put Kamala in his place on the ticket. It is possible to move the needle further, but we need our democracy in order to do that. Under a christo-fascist dictatorship US foreign policy can only get worse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/05/blinken-kamala-harris/