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Playing shooters using a joystick to aim is actual torture.
You’d rather use the four C Buttons to aim? Controllers don’t exactly have a lot of options. Sure, the most accurate option is “trackball,” but those were only on high end arcade cabinets and PCs at the time. Couldn’t get any of them for under $300 USD. And lightguns woyld have needed more inputs on them than they had at the time, not to mention the N64 never had a lightgun peripheral for it to my knowledge.
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Too bad the N64 mouse only launched with the 64DD in Japan then. Either way, GoldenEye could never be played with a mouse back then. It only took someone creating a special build of an emulator to get it to support it only within the last like 5 years.
THERES A MOD NOW?!
Yeah, GoldenEye (and Perfect Dark) with mouse injection has been around for a while. Same with TimeSplitters and Metroid Prime. Only for emulators on PC though.
I played Revenge, that was a fun one too. World Tour was my favorite as there was a generic wrestler who was my secret weapon and could not be defeated.
…pilotwings 64 and a quiet night home alone…
WCW vs. NWO World Tour was my jam
I had one friend that had that game, I had WCW vs NWO Revenge, and then later on the pinnacle of wrestling games, WWF No Mercy.
I would like to introduce both of you to the wonders of Virtual Pro Wrestling and VPW2, Japan-only games using the same engine. VPW2 tops No Mercy IMO, if for nothing else than by the sheer breadth of the roster. It’s just a shame that out of the box so many wrestlers needed so much tweaking to get around the lack of licensing. But the fact that it was possible to “fix” everyone was fantastic.
I will have to check that out. Since it’s Japanese, do I need to look for an English patch or does the normal rom have English text?
If you’re familiar with the English versions, navigating the menus in Japanese isn’t bad. The whole roster can be edited, and part of that is being able to change the names to romaji/English. I believe there’s a patch available to take care of most if not all of that. Let me see if I saved the post where someone else told me about it.
Back in the day I did all of those edits by hand on the physical cart. I still have the cart… one day I’ll boot it up again in the hope that the battery hasn’t died.
Edit: I think this is it
https://hack64.net/Thread-Virtual-Pro-Wrestling-2-freem-Edition
Awesome. I appreciate that. I’ll pray to the battery gods that your cart still has all your save data on it. Most of my carts are still good. A couple Gameboy carts no longer hold save data, but otherwise all good. Someday I am going to look into replacing those batteries.
Def Jam 2: Fight for NY was basically a wrestling game, but with rappers instead. Still had the same mechanics as those wrestling games where you couldn’t only lock onto one enemy at a time, and cliches lead to wrestling moves. But everything was pretty well polished and the finishing moves were straight up insane violence.
Timesplitters 2 also.
Based on a study that shows most people remember the world as at its best when they were 12, I would guess OP is 38-40 Y/O.
Takes deep breath
GoldenEye is bad and has always been bad.
Ducks for cover
Look, I get that there is a generation in anglo territories where the N64 sold ok that discovered multiplayer games with this thing, but it’s a slideshow with barely functional single stick controls. Quakeworld was a thing over here.
If that’s what you had then it was really fun.
I will agree that it is complete dogshit now though.
I agree that GoldenEye wasn’t a great game (even for the time) but are you really going to compare it to the online PC gaming scene in 1996?? Did quakeworld even have couch co op support? If it did, I sure hope someone had the adapter so you could play it a TV instead of your tiny crt monitors. If it didn’t, this comparison holds even less weight
And what’s with the “anglo regions” stuff? Was there a store in your area selling PCs for the equivalent of 200USD or something?
Throws proximity mine in general direction.
Amazing how the nostalgia goggles can make us think we were having fun with friends or something?
Also, SNES > N64.
Ducks for cover
Hey, no fair. You know how hard it is for us to aim down.
I’m partially with you on this. I was so confused by people being in love with Goldeneye as I had been playing FPS games multiplayer for many years at that point, Quakeword and its many mods were light years better. That being said, it was highly novel for console-only gamers and the game itself was fun enough once you got over the horrid controller.
Yeah, and I think that’s nuanced that slowly got eroded. Even at the time I remember the consensus about GoldenEye being “it’s a good FPS… for a console”. I’m not sure I would rather play it over Alien Trilogy or whatever the competition was in 1996, but that was the argument.
But then the “for a console in 1997” part started getting dropped off after console FPSs stopped being this weird, mismatched exceptional thing and became mainstream and now people don’t remember that playing a FPS with a controller was a thing nobody did because it sucked. The N64 took a first stab at making that semi-functional that wouldn’t really come together until Halo CE.
and now people don’t remember that playing a FPS with a controller was a thing nobody did because it sucked.
Why past tense? It still sucks.
See, that’s the thing, I’m not even being unfair to console FPSs. I’ll play on a controller. Catch me on a good day I’ll say it’s more fair, since your accuracy isn’t dependent on how much you splurged on crazy carbon fiber, 5 gram mice with infinite dpi.
But GoldenEye on a single stick at 15fps still sucked.
<Waits patiently for emergence from ducking>
<Delivers audible Oddjob slap 👋>
Oddjob is banned. No exceptions.
Oddjob actually wasn’t that bad once you realized he was at perfect headshot height when you crouched. I wrecked a lot of kids who thought Oddjob was a secret weapon.
Gauntlet Legends.
I don’t see any extended ram pack in there… gonna get some slowdown when the explosions start flying
I’ve got the ram pack in my original one… I’m down to three good controllers though, I should resolve that sooner rather than later.
Stacks - Capture The Flag - Power Shotgons
Look at Richie Rich over here with their 4 official controllers, not one Mad Catz or “Game Controller” branded controller!
Mad catz? Haven’t heard that name in a while.
I’d go with wipeout on PS1 but we can agree to disagree.
And I instantly now have that one song in my head with the vocals that sound like “heyyeyeyo!”
Is it an unpopular opinion to say, that Perfect Dark had the better campaign and multiplayer?
Perfect Dark was better but GoldenEye was more influential.
I’m definitely team Perfect Dark but I understand why GoldenEye was more significant in the zeitgeist and features more predominantly in memes.
No. Perfect Dark was fucking excellent. And you could still play Temple and “Felicity”
I can’t comment on the campaign, but as basically an upgraded sequel with 3 extra years of development, that makes sense.
I didn’t play Perfect Dark (multiplayer) until about a year after it came out. My immediate reaction was, “How can this exist? It’s a direct ripoff of GoldenEye!” Only to discover that, “Yeah, it’s made by the same people.”
This image is a fantasy.
No one had four grey controllers.
Show me some red, green and “translucent” purple.
Also one of the control sticks should be broken.
That’s pretty spot on for my experience. I only had 3: 1 gray, 1 red, and 1 translucent purple off brand.
(edit: the red one was the one with a drifty joystick, but for some reason it was my favorite)
We were grey, yellow, and offbrand black that had a semi-functional turbo mode and the joystick would reverse if you pushed too hard on it.
A 4th was always supplied by the rare potential 4th player
(i still have my original four grey controllers with rumble packs for the lot)
And you probably never had to blow into the cartridge to make it work.
Alternatively…
THE CHOSEN ONE!
…no, cartridges hadn’t yet been invented for my first console and my first NES was actually the mid-nineties redesign, so i never experienced blowing dust off the contacts…
…i did get to play with ROM-swap developer cartridges on my atari 2600, though…
That’s not four grey controllers.
That’s one grey controllers and three grey d-pads.
That actually explains how Goro kept kicking my ass.
On a related note, they can now refurbish your N64 conrollers with mini GameCube joysticks and they’re fucking SICK.
Theyre not as good as the original sticks though. Bigger deadzone and a different gate. Cool, but not a very accurate replacement. Steel Sticks is a better, if more exclusive, option.
I’ve had twelve controllers and my original translucent purple one from when I bought it new is still the best one.
