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    this race…

    this race?

    The past three Republican presidents saw a job growth of 1 million, the past three Democratic presidents 51 million. Now sure, the president doesn’t define every aspect of the economy, but my god that big a discrepancy is not accidental. As someone not from America, I don’t understand why this race is so close, but why any race involving the Republicans, even outside of Trump, would be.

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      Because the democrats are doing everything they can to lose. They don’t message well, and they keep running to the right.

      Most Americans want leftist policies, but the Democrats refuse to capitalize on that. Kamala is toting a right wing immigration bill thinking it’s going to help her.

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      nearly all republicans rig elections to their favor and make decent education an expensive luxury to help maintain their control over poorly educated & informed voting masses and democrats let them since it makes their job easier and they know that there’s no viable alternative.

      the icing on this shit cake is that most democrat voters will shame you if you don’t participate and blame you if you can’t because of voter suppression.

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        the icing on this shit cake is that most democrat voters will shame you if you don’t participate

        Drag is very surprised you find this odd. Democrat voters want you to fight back against Republican voter suppression. They think keeling over and giving up is a bad idea. The icing on the shit cake is that centrists who would rather have a D than an R choose to cooperate with Republican tactics.

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          i don’t find it surprising at all and many aren’t participating because the don’t want either gentler diet genocide from kamala nor full fat genocide from trump.

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    Most conservatives don’t believe state education isn’t anything more than brainwashing against conservative ideas.

    They’re 100% correct. Education tends to make one confront reality and live in the real world, a very un-conservative concept.

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      they have to start from kindergarten onward, because it doesn’t take much education to make people realize that “because tradition” is just about the dumbest reason to do anything. and if that’s the only reason you’re doing something, then maybe it’s time to grow the fuck up and move on

      but no, they’ve turned words like “progress” and “change” into pejoratives. same as “expert,” “science,” and “facts/fact-checking”

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      “Go to college and get a good education!”

      goes to college, gets educated in class and from people from all over who aren’t like me. Realize different people have different needs

      “College is a liberal brain wash machine!”

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    It’s entirely the EC.

    Biden won by ten million votes, and it was still a clencher because some idjit in kansas thinks the candidates sucking Pennsylvania’s fracking drill all election keeps their interests represented.

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    Pretty sure it’s the economy. Despite the fact that the US economy has been reasonably well managed, by international standards, people are hurting – which is the perfect recipe for changing the governing party. Telling people that things aren’t as bad as they think they are makes you sound out of touch.

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    Republicans don’t want the country to be educated.

    People with college degrees are overwhelmingly voting Harris. Republicans know that if we make the country smarter they’re screwed

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      What is with this elitist attitude about college? I’ve met plenty of idiots with degrees and many educated people without. I hate that we essentially say people are stupid if they didn’t go to college or university

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    45% of American voters will vote for Trump even if every accusation against him is true. 45% of American voters will vote for Harris even if every accusation against her is true.

    It stopped being about issues decades ago. It’s about ideologies.

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      It’s actually more like 45% of American voters will vote for Trump if every accusation against him is true, so he can say and do whatever bullshit he wants, and 45% of American voters wouldn’t vote for Harris even if every accusation against her was true, so she has to keep her promises in line with reality. You have the portion of society that is gamed by the system, and the portion of society that is aware, and those that are aware are much harder to please.

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    it’s close because racism, jeebus, and guns. it seems like it should be more than that, but it isn’t. broke uneducated GOP voters literally don’t care about anything except for some combination of the above 3 things, because that’s what the 1% propaganda machine told them to do

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      The guns thing. There is a rather large swath of rural, liberal gun owners. If you’ve ever lived in a locale that lacks enough ambient light for you to see your hand in front of your face at night, you get it. If you live in a place where you can hear a car approaching from more than a mile away you get it.

      Let my handgun have a normal clip (average 9mm is 15 bullets) and we’re probably golden. And yet. DEMs lose moderate libs on this single issue.

      Yes, I own a handgun. Off the shelf with no mods it holds 18 per clip standard and comes with 2 clips.

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        It makes a lot of sense for very rural living: you need a defense against the wild, and possibly hunting for food. I fully support that.

        The general desire among Democrats is stricter regulation, which is a very reasonable thing. People should be required to prove that they can be a responsible gun owner and are mentally fit to own one. I shouldn’t be able to pick one up from the sporting goods store like it’s a bag of potato chips. It is an incredibly powerful tool and can easily kill others. It should be treated as such.

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        I generally hear them water down the gun control, like a handgun with a stock number of bullets is generally ok. Or a rifle or shot gun. Unless you have some red flags, which you probably don’t have. Even in some of the stricter nations of gun control, there’s frequently some path for rural folks to at least have long guns.

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        i live in the mountains in a town of ~3000. i can drive 30 miles without seeing a traffic light. and i also have a gun

        i’m still voting D, because i see that as a boneheaded thing to acquiesce to trump over. though to be fair, there IS NO valid defensible reason to vote for that incompetent pluted bloatocrat rapist coward

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          I have several. Not once have I actually felt like someone was coming to take them. Beto shot himself in the foot saying he would, especially in Texas.

          I like common sense gun laws. I took classes for my concealed carry. I can pass a test about the care and feeding of firearms any day of the week. No one except me has access to my guns.

          Of course I’m voting blue. They ain’t coming for my guns. And even if they were I’d still vote against Trump and fight them on it.

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          Ofc not, and yet this is a single issue that motivates people.

          He is a rapist. A coward. A traitor. A cluster B personality disorder. And now he’s fraying around the edges from old age. The stress can’t be helping his decline.

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      Let’s not forget the group that’s voting 3rd party due to the situation in Israel. Does it make sense to do, no, but they will do it.

      I’ve tried to discuss it in the ML communities but as soon as you start proving your points with solid facts they just delete everything you said, censored and banned, a bit ironic.

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      And the Dems will have very little affect (if any) on anyone’s jebus or guns. So it’s really just the racism that’s the distinguishing factor.

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        Dems will have very little affect (if any) on anyone’s jebus or guns

        and yet the bleating of “they’re trying to take yer gunnnnnnns” and “war on christmas/christianity” never ever fucking stops

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          It’s insane.

          And it’s far more likely that if the GOP had total control, they’d institute a national religion (good luck having your flavor picked for that one) and that they’d take away all the guns to protect their power (since there is clearly nothing they’d avoid doing if it meant getting/keeping power).

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    50% of people have below average intelligence and they finally feel represented… 🤷‍♂️

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      If you go by the polls, the two candidates are within margin of error of each other, or very close. We’re looking at a possibility that Trump would not only win the EC, but the overall popular vote, as well.

      The EC is not the only issue at play. Millions of Americans either like Trump or are willing to handwave his behavior away rather than vote for a Democrat.

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        No Republican has won the popular vote in 22 years, and that was because of 9/11. Before that, it was George Bush Sr. in 1988.

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      The electoral college takes it from a 45-55 to a 50-50. But what on God’s green earth gets him that 45% of the votes?

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        People who only loosely follow politics but liked the Obama economy that trump inherited and only watch Fox News. “He can’t possibly be worse than a demoncrat, he’s the same party as Reagan! It’s really sad how the media slanders him”

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      Also because big business owns all the media and everyone can lie without consequences. Democracy can’t survive in these conditions.

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    Because one side wants to own the libs and that’s all they want to do. While one side is just as bad, they want to own the population to get away with crimes and the other side is never taken seriously as it’s full of gas huffing paint-chip addicts.

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    Have you seen some of the wishy-washy mouth breathers in the “undecided” focus groups? I’m embarrassed to admit we’re the same species. The Trump cultists might be insane, brain-poisoned, sociopathic, fundamentalist idiots but at least they have the capacity to make a bad decision. The independents can’t seem to make any decision. It if they do, it’s based on some random nonsense or impulse. I dunno if they’ve got learning disorders or are just sad windsocks, but the fact that they are the ones who get to decide if America dies next month is terrifying.

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      wishy-washy mouth breathers in the “undecided” focus groups

      This website is deteriorating into Democrats insulting non-Democrats constantly.

      You’re party is simply unpopular as it caters to “moderates” and then has to spend an absurd amount of money to convince regular folks that the Democrats are the best those folks are allowed to have. No amount of memes and insults is going to change this simple truth.

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        If you’re claiming to be undecided on Trump in 2024, you’re full of shit. If you claim to be a moderate but still can’t decide between Trump and Harris, you’re not a moderate, you’re just full of shit

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          I haven’t claimed to be any of those things.

          Edit: On a second reading, I think you are talking about “moderates in general.” I truely don’t understand how either party plans out their platform, nor what attracts people to them. (Outside of perhaps Sanders, who made too much sense I guess.)

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      I don’t think you have any idea who you’re describing. Of course it’s possible to find a couple dozen people who legitimately have no idea who to vote for, but you know it’s a lot easier to find millions of people who are going to stay home. As always, the real challenge is getting people to go vote.

      But you think this ultra-minority, that is barely in existence, is going to decide an election. By your reasoning, it doesn’t matter what anyone else does. Everyone else in the United States is powerless between now and election day. That’s your position, right? … But I think it’s just a cop out. You just want someone to blame if your candidate loses, and you certainly don’t want to blame yourself or your candidate.