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      All the post 67 land are considered occupied why Palestinians should give up their land?

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        I thought the entirety of Israel was unlawfully and immorally seized from the Palestinians over the course of decades. At least, that’s what most pro-Palestine folks seem to think.

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          It is but most of us are not heartless people who would like to kick out 8 millions people

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            An actual, mutually peaceful solution would be better. Hamas has turned down or broken ceasefire after ceasefire. There is no reason to trust them at this point.

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              Israel do not want peace and keep expanding illegal settlements to make it impossible to have a two state solution. Israel never stop killing Palestinians even before Hamas was ever created. As long as there is occupation you can’t expect the oppressed to not take vengeance

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                The various surrounding states have been trying to destroy Israel since its inception as well. Just like Iran is funding and arming Hamas and Hezbollah today. I don’t need to tell you that all three are incredibly oppressive regimes.

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                  Why would native people accept people who came from Europe to build an state in an already populated place? Zionists early leaders admitted that they want to whole land. Like Israel first prime Minister ever said this : " after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine" and Israel first president said : “partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years”

                  Arabs did not intend to take revenge after the 48 loss yet Israel decided to colonize the West bank and Gaza. Israelis 6th prime minister admitted this : “The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him”

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                    I find it difficult to believe that the Arab League, which started the war to “sweep the Jews into the sea,” would take the loss laying down. Especially since the Six-Day War happened.

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              Hamas has turned down or broken ceasefire after ceasefire.

              Stop consuming Israeli propaganda. Seriously, at this point you’re just embarasing yourself. For further reading see the 2008 and the 2012 ceasefire deals, which Israel actively refused to abide by.

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        I thought the entirety of Israel was unlawfully and immorally seized from the Palestinians over the course of decades. At least, that’s what most pro-Palestine folks seem to think.

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              Id rather they be tried and convicted like we did to the Nazis at the Nuremeberg trials, but I’ll settle for them leaving, sure. Why must the Palestinians accept their presence when their entire presence was on the mass displacement and genocide of their people? They’re not even sorry for any of it, they’re literally doubling down on it all and continuing it on a scale never seen before.

              Why are you so shocked that militia groups were formed to counter an oppressive genocidal colony? Also, keep in mind Israel literally helped prop Hamas up to delegtimize the Palestinians in the eyes of the international community. It just came back to bite them in the ass.

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                The population of Israel is almost 10 million people. Much like Trump’s plan to deport around that many brown people, it’s only doable with concentration camps.

                Maybe the solution to genocide isn’t more genocide.

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                  I’ve always thought a disarmed single state solution with a protected right of return to the country (not the specific land parcel) would be a hilarious end to Israel. Let actual democracy destroy the apartheid state.

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                  Majority of Israel support what their government is doing in Gaza. This won’t end just because a foreign power decides to enforce a ceasefire and maybe some kind of simple recognition of Palestinian statehood. There’s way too much bad blood, and most of it is on Israel’s hands. If this happens we’ll have a middle eastern version of North and South Korea. And given how the US backs Israel unconditionally, it’s only a matter of time before they re-attempt their settlement of all of Palestine. Because who’s going to stop them?

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                Okay, so where should they go? If Israel is dissolved and the territory handed back to the Palestinian people, there will be a massive ethnic cleansing at the hands of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. Extracting every single Israeli would create yet another refugee crisis somewhere in the world - speaking strictly in terms of how to materially support all these people.

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                  That the lame excuse that was also used to justify maintaining the apartheid in south africa

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                  Wherever they want. Why is it on Palestine, Lebanon, or anyone else to figure out this problem that Israel created in the first place?

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                    That will require an agreement with the host nations. That is not guaranteed by any means, nor is their safety before, during, or after the evacuation.