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      Trump told bibi to "hurry up and finish the job. He will kill 10x as many Palestinians and say they deserved it.

      He has also promised to “round up millions of illegals” in the US and put them in camps, itself a genocide. He will undoubtedly kill thousands doing it.

      He also stated that he will use the military to eliminate " the enemy within," who he specially called leftists like yourself. He will kill people in the process.

      Your choice should be pretty clear if you abhor killing.

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        You know how law works right?

        Say a guy is committing treason and clearly want to end democracy? As a modern state with a functionning justice system, you throw him in jail.

        Say the people in charge are commiting conspiracy to commit genocide (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091). You throw them in jail.

        Anyway, what you do not do is voting for the later because the former promised he was going to be worst.

        Fix your goddamn country, idiot.

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        Yes, my choice is for a party which doesn’t support killing innocent people. The Dems still have time to campaign on that platform.
        I agree that one party has said that they are even more pro killing innocent people. And I don’t agree with that. That’s because I don’t agree with killing innocent people at all.

        There is no level of killing innocent people that I’m okay with.

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            I don’t like killing innocent people. Which is something Trump will do, so I don’t like him.

            I checked your post history, I don’t care much for you, either.

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          What about all the innocent women who are dying in our country because of who trump appointed to the supreme court and the result was the overturning roe vs wade?

          Do those lives matter at all to you? Women bleeding to death in their cars because hospitals refuse to treat a miscarriage.

          What about the kids who get massacred in school shootings because Trump and people like him won’t support increased gun control legislation?

          What about all the innocent people of color who have been killed by police? Do they matter to you?

          If trump gets into the office not only will the Palestinian people be far worse off, so will every group I mentioned above and more.

          You said you are against killing innocent people, then why dont you care about the women, children, and people of color who are getting killed in our country needlessly?

          There’s far more destruction for far more people if trump gets into office. If you want to double down, go for it, because I think it’s worth reminding people just how much death in our country can attributed to Trump. Every woman who dies from preventable pregnancy complications. Trump directly contributed to that.

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            If trump gets into the office not only will the Palestinian people be far worse off, so will every group I mentioned above and more.

            There is no level of killing innocent people that I’m okay with.
            I’ll support a political party which does not want to make people worse off because of their identity.

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          Then you’re making an emotional decision based on refusing to accept anything less than perfect, and since perfection is not an option in this election, and because not voting is essentially a vote that trump doesn’t have to counter, abstaining voters are proportionally more helpful to trump than they are to Harris.

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            Then you’re making an emotional decision based on refusing to accept anything less than perfect

            You can continue making practical decisions based on accepting killing innocent people. I’ll be over here waiting for people like you to notice what you’re doing. Maybe when you are one of the innocent people being killed you will decide it’s not acceptable?

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              You need to realise that the world is not black and white - it exists in shades of grey where nobody gets everything they want, and have to accept compromise for the greater good. You seem to be stuck in a mental state where you can’t bring yourself to vote for a party that isn’t offering a perfect world to you, and you must get past that and look at the bigger picture, and the impact of disgruntled blue voters staying home in protest. If trump wins, your protest will have contributed to that win, and you’ll have to live with that.

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                If trump wins, your protest will have contributed to that win, and you’ll have to live with that.

                No, I promise you, I won’t. Me living with being in a world where killing innocent people is politically acceptable is far more harmful than the guilt I will feel on Trump winning. This is because my protest is not contributing anything to that win whatsoever. You might as well ask me to feel unhappy that the moon has craters when I - as far as I can tell - am not a large mass hurtling through space that has hit the moon.

                If Trump wins, then that will simply show that enough Americans want to hurt innocent people. As is shown by America being a country which finds itself unable to strongly counter IDF terrorism visited upon Palestinians.

                I will be sad, but I won’t be completely surprised.

                I say it again: my protest will have no effect on Trump winning.
                My protest will also have no effect on innocent lives being taken. This is because we live in a morally grey world, where people can rationalise harming innocent people as an acceptable byproduct of doing business. After all, the price of compromise for me getting a better candidate is allowing brown strangers to die. Doesn’t that sound great? I deserve more than them. I’m not brown, after all! It’s their fault for being born where they are.
                And, finally, my protest will have no effect on Trump winning.

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                  You can tell yourself that but it doesn’t change the reality that you will have directly contributed to Trump’s victory, and the elimination of the Palestinian people (and as anyone who knows anything about WW2 will tell you: genocides can get worse).

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                    You can tell yourself that but it doesn’t change the reality that you will have directly contributed to Trump’s victory

                    I promise you, that is not possible.

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                  You’re quite mistaken about that. You will be responsible for trump if you had the option to vote against him and chose not to do so.

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                    You’re quite mistaken about that. You will be responsible for trump

                    I promise you, my protest against killing innocent people will have no effect on Trump winning. You might be seeing things in black and white.

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          K while everyone else at the adult table discusses things you can play with your imaginary options.

          Every country kills innocent people. It happens.

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              Where is yours?

              Oh, you aren’t sorry about the war crimes your government has accomplished?

              Typical.

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              Thanks. As I said to the commenter above. We are sitting at the adult table. Come join us once you realize everyone has blood on their hands and the world isn’t black and white.

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            Every country kills innocent people. It happens.

            Thanks for admitting this.

            imaginary options.

            Not respecting a human world which purposefully kills the innocent is not ‘imaginary’.

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              Not even trying to minimize the amount of killing in the human world because it won’t reach 0 seems like you don’t actually care about human life at all.

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                That’s interesting. I have to support a party which supports killing innocent people to be against killing innocent people.

                Wow, humans sure are good at rationalising things in a nonsensical way. No wonder they’ve made such a fucked up world.

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                  That’s not what I’m saying. You can absolutely continue to condemn and fight the democratic party on any topic you deem worthwhile.

                  But putting that tiny mark on the ballot paper might ever so slightly get the world moving closer to the ideal you imagine, instead of veering away from it.

                  That is the rationale I’m using here.