I know Lemmy has the ACAB sentinment, and I get it, I don’t trust them either. But real talk tho, there are some scenarios where you might not have other options.
So… the question is: When, if ever, would you call for law enforcement? And if you distrust law enforcement, is there ever a situation where it gets so bad that you just have to risk involving law enforcement?
A traffic accident. Cops, as simple minded creatures of habit, fundamentally categorize calls into “I can shoot people” and “I probably can’t shoot people” events, and traffic accidents are usually the latter.
Plus my insurance requires it.
Luckily our cops are only half bad (one quarter bad apples, one half who doesn’t give a fuck and just can’t be bothered to do anything, one quarter trying to fly under the radar and bootlickers, one quarter decent) in my country and nowhere near the levels the US have to experience. I have to work with them due to working in EMS and there have been dozens of situations I was happy for police backup - more than situations where I wish the cops weren’t there.
BUT: I am also a white cis male and the experience is very different when I am not working - and verrrryyy different when I was still obviously a leftist than it is now. (Still am, but bidding it better). They were plain right obnoxious then and I would only call them for a situation I knew they either be pissed off enough by my opposite automatically or I know I can make them do what I want/need as I usuall know the relevant laws and their procedures well enough to pressure them. So for a perp with a knife? Yeah, definitely. For a burglary? Yes because I know how to make them do their job if the half who doesn’t want to do it arrives.
I have no issues calling law enforcement. I actually have done so a few times in my life, for various reasons (reporting safety issues, traffic accidents, crime). And I feel quite safe with it, as I live in a civilized country, where the police is a very professional service of highly trained people, and not just some jerks who got hired because the knew how to hold a gun and then got a few weeks of (online) training on how to write tickets.
“Send fire, not police. I just need someone brave to show up.”
In my experience police have always been kind and helpful. Not everyone has the same experience I suppose.
Yeah a lot of people hate their local police because of something that happened on the other side of the country. You should only distrust your local department when you have a reason to distrust them. I live in a little town and the local police are super chill.
Nice! Chill police is a great thing to have in town.
I’m not in the US but I’ve called the cops before when I could hear a woman screaming while on my way home. I didn’t really get a lot of info about the situation but as far as I could tell nobody got hurt.
I had construction workers break into my business because they decided to work while I was closed. Called the police, they let them stay.
While walking in the bosque near the Rio Grande someone was shooting into the trees and nearly hit us. The cops’s solution was I should carry a gun and shoot back next time. This is within city limits. Same solution when I called them about hunters illegally hunting (both out of season, and within city limits).
There were meth heads squatting in the house next to my parents. They broke into the garage and stole multiple of my wife’s firearms. The sheriff’s deputies told us if the suspects turned up dead no one would really investigate it. They never investigated the theft, it took months to get a report, and even longer for the serial numbers to be entered into the database as missing.
While riding my bike a cop ran a red light and nearly hit me. He started to write me a ticket until he realized I was wearing a camera on my helmet. He told me to be more careful in the future and he was letting me off with a verbal warning.
It would likely take a dead body for me to call the police.
I wouldn’t even call the police for a dead body.
When I need a police report for the insurance.
Similar vein: when dealing with fraud, etc. I was victim of credit card and identity theft and found that businesses and credit cards took my disputes more seriously when I informed them I had contacted police already.
Depending on what happened they might not make one for you. I drove my car to work, parked in a parking lot, and came back out at the end of the day to a heavily dented fender with blue paint scrapes on my red paint. It was obvious someone hit me. I called the police station, told them what happened, and asked for a police report. They declined and said it might have been a deer. It’s a busy/high traffic area and there wasn’t any green space for atleast a half mile.
Never heard deer driving blue cars
Imminent threat of bodily harm and no route for escape. Calling the cops will get you an armed response. The only time an armed response is at all appropriate is if life could be lost otherwise. Any other time, it’s best not to bring a gun into the situation.
I’ve called the police on a handful of unsafe drivers: drunk driver on wrong side of road, drunk driver meandering over the line, boyfriend/girlfriend stopped at a traffic light in separate vehicles getting into a domestic assault territory (and backing up rush hour traffic), etc.
Some music gear got stolen from my van parked in my driveway.
I called the cops the next day, they came over and took a report and told me nothing ever gets recovered.
Then I called around the music shops to report serial numbers and stuff. Within a day I got most of my equipment back, especially the expensive parts.
But the cop who took my report for some reason was tasked with doing the recovery from the second hand store, and he was really mad about it.
That was about 12 years ago, and since then I have come to the conclusion that I would only deploy police in conditions where I would be willing to deploy lethal force which is almost never, and ideally probably never.
Mad he had to actually do his fucking job for once.
If I’m in a country where police mostly do what they’re supposed to do. I don’t live in the USA and I’ve called the cops for unclear and probably dangerous situations, traffic accidents, people sleeping at the bus stop when it’s too cold and they don’t respond to me yelling… So far everything turned out well. I mean I don’t call them for fun, though.
I’ve called them on my brother a few times when he’s been abusive and it starts crossing the line to physical. The last two times I had to call the dispatcher I talked to immediately asked if it was my brother by using his name.
I’d call the police for a lot of things.
Our local police are really good, we call them a couple times a year for accidents in our front yard (we live in a fairly busy road where a 35 mph speed limit means read your phone while doing 50…). They are always really professional and helpful to both the drivers and us. It helps that our borough has I think 8 officers total.
I have also called when a driver got mad at me for turning towards our old apartment while he tried to pass us which caused him to spin in the middle of an intersection somehow. He then followed us to our building, and started beating on my window and cussing me out while I was on the phone with 911. Drove off before the cop showed up but I got a blurry picture of his plate as he drove away. Showed the cop who read it no problem, found out it was the guys wife’s car. Asked if we wanted to press assault charges (we didn’t, just asked him to go talk with the guys wife, figure that would be punishment enough when he got home from the bar he was at). Cop called me later that evening to check on us and let us know the guys wife was livid when the cop stopped by to chat with her.
Overall, our local police in the various boroughs around Pittsburgh have been pretty great, can’t say the same for the ones downtown though.
I called them when someone was standing on my neighbor’s porch with a shotgun shouting.
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How much does bulletproof windows and walls cost? I think I might need some if I ever have gun nuts near my front door…
It’s a good deal too late if you already have someone wielding a gun near your front door.
Unknown. We decided it would be easier to move. 🤷